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softwaredougabout 3 hours ago
I’m not at all defending this, but before you freak out, it’s a $14 fee per solar panel. Not like 25% tax on utilities that produce solar or somesuch.

In case you want to appropriately calibrate your anger.

SkiFire13about 3 hours ago
> it’s a $14 fee per solar panel

Note that usually you mount many solar panels, not just one, so this will stack relatively quickly.

davideeabout 2 hours ago
If you're building out, say 12kw of PV, that's about 24 panels for a modern install (500w bifacial n panels).

So a $336 premium, or roughly 1.3 additional panels in terms of cost.

While sure, that's not nothing, it's ~$6700 vs ~$7050, or a ~5% premium to the pre-tax cost of the panels.

testing22321about 2 hours ago
Panels are much cheaper than that.

Here’s 31 445W panels for $4,650, full retail. This is literally the first google result I clicked.

Two and a half years ago I bought 18 405W panels for $3,312, full retail. They were cheaper wholesale.

https://cdnsolar.ca/products/canadian-solar-445w-all-black-p...

GoToRO25 minutes ago
First you introduce the tax, then you increase it. Minimum public anger. They messed up because it's a recycling tax that I presume does not apply to... everything? So it feels punitive. Also it's big. I pay way less recycling tax on bigger and harder to recycle items.
cmrdporcupineabout 3 hours ago
The $14 is what ARMA claims in their press relesaes but they haven't broken down where they came at that number. Many analysts seem to think it could be much higher.

The net effect along with other regulatory moves the AB gov't has taken (they banned all renewables projects outright for some months a couple years ag) is to discourage investment in what was formerly a growing sector.

tamimioabout 3 hours ago
It will only make sense if the per cost panel is less than certain number (if my math is correct it should be $175), but if the panel cost is over $175 then even with more sales taxes in other provinces the total will be cheaper. That is of course on capital cost not operational, also, not counting the “forced recycling” mentioned.
jdlygaabout 3 hours ago
This is a good lesson in how headlines can be used to manipulate you - "slaps", "punitive tax"
em3rgent0rdrabout 3 hours ago
Disposal/recycling fees should be applied to all products.
nativeitabout 2 hours ago
Cleanup costs should be applied to all coal mines, but we didn’t bother with that either.
muldercabout 3 hours ago
Has always seemed like a policy failure to not just charge those fees at the point of sale and then fund a robust waste disposal program for the community.
kennywinkerabout 3 hours ago
I will believe that's the goal when I see the tax going directly to aid in disposal.
iamnothereabout 3 hours ago
In this case it should be a dedicated fund for future disposal, as the majority of panels in service right now won’t need disposal for many years.
jerlenddsabout 2 hours ago
I unfortunately live in Alberta and I have to say Smith seems decently smart. Which is not to say I agree with or would vote for her but that shes very capable of getting things she wants. Seeing Alberta pop up on HN so often is disheartening. I hope she gets voted out soon or I just might have to move
cmrdporcupineabout 2 hours ago
Right, I submitted because in addition to being from Alberta (originally, not there now) and having my whole family out there I think there's actually a useful analysis where Alberta's right wing forces have been for sometime a "vanguard" the further side of conservative ideology in North America ... and have had enormous "success" in not just fighting climate change initiatives but breaking apart a lot of the Canadian social contract. They're successful in enacting policy that even their own domestic population is wildly opposed to. Over and over again. E.g. they have extremely little support within their own urban centres, but still run the province however they want.

So actually, it's a place that needs to be watched as a barometer of the future, really. And an example of why "technology will save us from climate change" is a bad take: these people (petroleum sector) will fight tooth and nail to hold onto what they have and they will take us all down with them.

metalmanabout 1 hour ago
Peak oil, peak profits, peak stupidity.

These are the last gasps of the petro dollar.

  Solar pv and batteries have already won the future as humanities main energy source.

 Tar sand is going to be totaly abandoned as a fossil fuel even before coal.
Demand collapse for hydrocarbons has begun.

China has reduced oil consumption by 9% so far this year, CO² reductions are more, while there overall energy consumption has gone up.Many other countrys are following suit, and thats, that.

morkalorkabout 2 hours ago
Why don't they slap some punitive taxes on O&G executives whose companies that leave abandoned wells all over the province? No? Government too captured by corporate interests?
belochabout 2 hours ago
AER charges all active O&G companies operating in Alberta a levy that's meant to fund closing orphaned wells should a company go bankrupt and fail to close their wells. However, you can argue that the levy isn't high enough or that there are too many loopholes that let companies sell off, merge, etc. without closing down wells first.
jleyankabout 4 hours ago
Alberta is the most US-like province. As it's not been hit by Trump tariffs, it opposes any change to the current situation. As it's based on oil revenue (with some food production), of course it opposes renewable energy sources. Bit selfish, it is.

I wonder how loud they'd yowl if "no trade with Canada" gores their ox?

cmrdporcupineabout 4 hours ago
Implicit in all the "we'll bring Canada to heel" and "we don't need anything from Canada" talk is an Alberta/Sask exception. They don't mean AB/SK. They mean the rest of Canada, which leans further to the left politically and has more of a manufacturing sector or agricultural / forestry focus.

Also notably there are US states like Texas which are also extremely focused on fossil fuel production which aren't taking this aggressive anti-renewables stance. Alberta is actually further on this axis than any other regime in North America -- taking on a very explicit anti-renewables stance. Even effectively (through regulation) banning their use in large scale datacentre rollouts.

The local elites there are extremely threatened by any renewable talk; they run an active disinformation campaign, and formerly the province had one of the fastest growing renewable sectors in the world. (Alberta gets a lot of solar hours and has high winds, too)

Aside, I was coming back from Edmonton a couple days ago and in the airport there's a wine/liquor store with a sandwich board out front proudly proclaiming that they "have US wine & liquor for sale!" -- completely thumbing nose at the rest of the country as a business opportunity.

nosioptarabout 3 hours ago
The last bit boggles my mind. I'm american. There's not a single bottle of whisky made down here that can compete with Canadian whisky.
muldercabout 3 hours ago
Try Westward out of Portland.
cmrdporcupineabout 3 hours ago
Different product. Bourbon owns a lot of headspace with consumers, and is not available in most of the country right now. There are Canadian made Bourbon-like products, but nothing will fill that niche for purists.

I imagine there's a similar thing going on with California wines. But less so.

llm_nerdabout 3 hours ago
> Implicit in all the "we'll bring Canada to heel" and "we don't need anything from Canada" talk is an Alberta/Sask exception. They don't mean AB/SK. They mean the rest of Canada, which leans further to the left politically and has more of a manufacturing sector or agricultural / forestry focus.

The paradox is that if we take the US administration at their word, that it is the trade deficit that is the problem they need to solve, then Alberta is 100% of the problem. Ontario, BC, Quebec have basically equal trade with the US. We ship a lot to the US, but we ship a lot of things we could make domestically from the US, though that is rapidly changing (for instance a major rail car manufacturing process is spinning up to replace that as an import from the US).

Alberta is basically 100% exports to the US, with negligible imports from the US.

So it's hilarious when Alberta says this isn't their trade war. Again, if we take Trump and his crew of stunningly incompetent self-dealing grifters and rapists at their word, it is completely Alberta's trade war.

Apparently because the US buys Alberta oil, the rest of the Canada should be punished somehow? How spectacularly stupid.

But yes, Danielle Smith is a vile human and is a traitor to Canada. I get why Albertans elected her -- there are legitimate grievances and a better "deal" to be had -- but she is going to do spectacular damage to the province.

cmrdporcupineabout 2 hours ago
> Apparently because the US buys Alberta oil, the rest of the Canada should be punished somehow? How spectacularly stupid.

I mean they clearly actually mean the opposite. And are doing the opposite. They're making moves to push Alberta out of confederation. I think at this point it should be clear the Trump regime funding and supporting Alberta "separatist" campaigns. At least giving it a megaphone far beyond its actual real local support base.

So, yeah, one way of "dealing with" the "trade deficit" there is to simply push Alberta out of Canada.

Another (longer-term) move is taking over Venezuela and getting an alternate source for heavy crude.

Notably both paths are being taken.

dismalafabout 3 hours ago
This is an insane take. A $14 recycling tax per $1000+ panel comes to <1.4%, which is around a quarter of federal sales tax for example, or 1/10 of combined GST and PST somewhere like BC.

Alberta has no provincial sales tax for the record and is the ONLY province without provincial sales tax. Solar panels are still more expensive in every other province in Canada based on sales tax rates alone.

<1.4% to fund the proper recycling of a solar panel seems more than reasonable.

Edit - also Alberta already has the lowest cost per installed watt of any province due to generally lower taxes and more vibrant construction ecosystem. Plus no PST. Complaining about a recycling fee is completely brain-dead and/or propaganda.

Edit 2 - https://www.pv-magazine.com/2026/06/05/solar-panel-recycling...

$14 per panel seems pretty good. This link estimates the cost at $15-45 USD, I've heard of costs as high as a couple hundred euros in France (except it's billed directly to the manufacturer so it's hidden). Complaining about $14 in the only Canadian province without PST is ridiculous.

ericdabout 3 hours ago
$1000 panel? I’m pretty sure 600 watt panels are coming in at <$100 on the global market. Prices have come down a lot in the past decade.
davideeabout 2 hours ago
High quality 500-600w bifacial n panels are between $200-300 in Canada at normal install sizes (12-32). We do lag behind the costs elsewhere, but still nowhere close to $1000 per panel.
scjabout 3 hours ago
I'm cool with cleanup costs up front...

Can Alberta apply it to oil and gas companies too?

izendabout 3 hours ago
There is a very underfunded https://www.orphanwell.ca/ program but I agree with your point.
dismalafabout 2 hours ago
They probably should increase the levies. On the other hand, the province does get $20 billion+ in direct oil revenue per year (royalties), so it's not like oil companies are just straight up robbing us.
cmrdporcupineabout 2 hours ago
Except that revenue doesn't go towards well cleanup. Not really.

Also it goes up and down drastically. After Trump is finished making a mess in Hormuz, the number will go down again, and Alberta finance ministers will go back to ranting about reigning in excessive spending.

gosteinaoabout 2 hours ago
Spare me. Even if the tax itself is whatever, saying that UCP didn't mean this at the very least as empty propaganda is purposefully glib.
cmrdporcupineabout 3 hours ago
Provide sources for your $1000+ panel.

https://solarpowerdepot.ca/canadian-solar-450w-mono-bifacial...

https://solarshoppingmall.com/products/renesola-450w-mono-so...

Those numbers point more towards 5-10% cost per panel.

I think your “$1,000+ panel” is conflating the hardware with its share of the entire installation. I don't know how else to explain it.

Also the "$14" number was put out by AMRA (the government's body) without any explanation of how they arrived at that number.

TFA is biased, yes, but its bias is frankly justifiable in the current context. While your "take" seems profoundly dishonest.

dismalafabout 3 hours ago
Unless you've got the relevant licenses to install the panel up to code and hook into the power grid properly, yes, the cost of the installation is the cost.

Also, 5% would still be lower than the lowest PST of any province lol.

cmrdporcupineabout 3 hours ago
You're moving the goal posts. We are talking about material / per-unit costs.
rc_mobabout 3 hours ago
"dumbasses do a dumbass thing"
newscluesabout 2 hours ago
Just because you don’t like people doesn’t make them stupid.
cmrdporcupineabout 2 hours ago
She (Danielle Smith) is one of the shrewdest politicians in North America right now, actually.

Not, like good shrewd, but very tactically smart and with a very capable public relations ability capable of keeping a notoriously hard-to-tame right wing activist base in line behind her gov't.

Best not to underestimate her.

dyauspitrabout 4 hours ago
Regressives that will be left behind by most of the world within 10 years.
cmrdporcupineabout 3 hours ago
Entrenched interests want to take us all down with them, unfortunately. They will burn the field and salt the earth rather than yield control and lose their parasitical source of wealth.