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This should be illegal. You gave them an email box and money. You sent the spam. There is no "Quinn", you made an agentic system you called "Quinn" and your system spammed and tried to scam people, which was highly predictable.
This stuff is a dumb stunt and there's no reason to let the agents actually do this irl, and if people keep doing it on purpose they should go to jail. You're running an agentic Jackass skit pretending to be a research lab.
(Plus some CAN-SPAM violations.)
Probably not forever.
Eventually the models will be good enough for this to work. And it will work.
Think about it: in the limit, the agents won't be emailing people in the future, they'll be directly contacting one another to do business and trade.
Every new data center is an inch further towards the automation of value creation, and that includes outbound sales and business process automation.
I'm not being an alarmist (I'm excited to witness all of this), but we're basically on borrowed time between now and then. I don't know what's going to happen, but every week brings new things. And in some years, those hacks and experiments will inevitably get good.
2026 has been a hell of a ride, and we're just getting started.
I don't see how that is "highly predictable" unless you test these things, like the author did...
> should be fined
Weird way of spelling "criminally charged."
> have to improve their security and sandboxing ability, or be fully responsible for the outcome.
You are always responsible for the outcome if it's criminal behavior or causes others damages.
If I make a robot and strap a gun to it, it doesn't magically absolve me of the actions the robot takes from its programming that I wrote.
And before someone says "but this an LLM!"...yeah, which is still programming and data. And being non-deterministic doesn't help your case...it hurts it.
The crimes were relatively benign but Grok going the Silkroad way would be on brand...
"It wasn't me, it was my AI" is definitely going to be a nightmare for a while.
In this example, the equivalent would be everyone gets their AI models banned vs. putting the perpetrator of this fraud in jail.
But yeah the people who adopt the new technology get to terrorize the people who don't, at the cost of becoming less human, that's how it works.
They also shared the poorly anonymized messages it received from target "customers" who complained about the unsolicited invoices. On example of this poor anonymization is removing the sender's username but leaving the domain name, when the domain name is, for example, a personal domain for a single person.
This is like someone who removes a brake pedal from a tractor, uses a stick to hold down the throttle, and lets it loose on his field. When it leaves the field and runs someone over, that is criminal negligence.
As it is, real humans spent real business hours dealing with this researcher’s spambot generated emails and fraudulent invoices. Individual recipients reported feeling harassed.
This isn’t a good benchmark. It’s a series of socially destructive crimes committed by the researchers and then documented and published on the internet.
I guess that's already a reality? [1-2]
[1] https://github.com/jaimaann/LangHire
[2] https://github.com/adrianhajdin/job_pilot
(among many other similar projects)
Regardless of whether the current generation of agents are able to run a business, this prompt is not exactly a great starting point. I'm not surprised that the agents sent fake invoices, as that is pretty much aligned with the prompt of making as much money as possible (subtext: by whatever means necessary).
The rest of the experiment is quite well-run, so it's a shame that this small detail blows up the premise somewhat.
Is it though? Because it doesn’t seem to have paid off
Sell two of your kidneys, as far as I know humans have at least three of them
But remember you are criminally liable for anything your “agent” does.
(Unless of course you are OpenAI or Anthropic).
I also don't agree that the agents simply "lost" $3,200. In reality, they used most of those funds paying for their own limited thinking capabilities (API/compute costs).
You run simulations because it would be reckless to try something that could possibly hurt people without thoroughly testing it first.
It's such an uninspired prompt. What would you expect if you gave that to the average human, or even the average HNer? What fraction of them would actually use it to set up a profitable and fully legal enterprise?
When you finish high school and are about to start doing whatever you're going to do with your life, you have essentially exactly that same prompt. The rest of the world doesn't tell you what to do and then you do that as well as you can, you have to decide what to do also, and then do it.
Comparing them to individuals should not be the bar.
Who told you that?
I mean, I guess this proves it’s not AGI but … no one actually believes that any of these are AGI, right? It’s a useful tool. You just took a state of the art cordless saw and turned it on and threw it into a crowd. Did you not think to, I don’t know, put some wood in front of it and say “I run a carpentry business” or something?
The LLM didn't send fake invoices, it didn't send spam, a person did. And, the tool they used to do it was an LLM. This "we let an AI do X, and you won't believe the horrible shit it got up to through no fault of our own" nonsense has to stop.
Make - was never described how, Im actually surprised LLM didnt plan to print money. As much money - what does it mean? How much is much? As possible - there is no flavour of time, effort, cost and profit for the LLM. Could be even infinite, the result would be the same.
Given that the above goal is closest to „use cheating or unethical actions to create a profit” - I think the authors of it actually expected LLM to go wild.
Also
> Going forward, we plan to recreate this experiment with longer time horizons but using simulated environments instead.
Watch out, they will try that again.
a ceo agent spins up a bunch of AAARRR sub agents each morning and they pitch an idea to implement. the ceo decides which is best and then either creates a PR or asks me to do something if it can’t do it itself.
"Computer says no."
Maybe I should create an agent that robs a bank. Or worse yet, pirates a movie.
They should be banned from posting on here after that. Like you are willingly spamming people looking for work. And seem to be neutral about all harm called. The victim wrote to us "STOP", very interesting. such evil agents
Keep moving the goalposts
It's Artificially Generated Invoices.
Every time a tech lab unleashes an AI agent that breaks the law, this community treats it like a quirky engineering edge case. "Oops, look at this emergent behavior, Qwen figured out how to bypass email filters by billing random people!" No, it didn't figure out a clever hack. You handed an automated script real financial rails, gave it an explicit goal function to maximize revenue, and turned it loose on real human beings without a single basic guardrail.
If a founder hired a human intern and said "make money fast," and that intern proceeded to mail fake $600 invoices to hundreds of people for unsolicited work, nobody would write a cozy blog post about "lessons learned in multi-agent orchestration." You would be having a very serious conversation with a federal prosecutor.
Stop rebranding reckless civil violations and outright criminal conduct as "safety research." If you build a software system that commits wire fraud on autopilot, you are still the person who committed wire fraud.