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galeneliasabout 1 hour ago
Similar to the 'EV Stupidity Checklist' from John Siracusa:

https://hypercritical.co/2026/05/29/ev-stupidity-checklist

api7 minutes ago
My 2021 Nissan Leaf checks everything, though the manual charge port release is hard to get to and under the hood so it only kind of counts. You can use it in a pinch.

Utterly maintenance free. Utterly reliable. Drives great. 220 miles range on a full charge and it does about get that if you're not using HVAC heavily, not driving with a lead foot, and it's not extremely cold. Not horribly expensive. Would buy again, and plan to keep until it dies which for this thing might be a while.

Only bad thing is the ChaDeMO (or however you caps it) fast charging port. If I needed to fast charge a lot I'd buy a CCS dongle. They are now made but aren't cheap since it can't just be a dumb dongle, but apparently they work. I also think there are NACS dongles, or you can double-dongle that (NACS->CCS->ChaDeMO) if you really want to go there. Lol.

plqbfbvabout 1 hour ago
I own a Tesla M3 2019, and recently drove 2-3yo MG HS as rental.

Glass roof: agree.

Buttons: yes, if Tesla would have kept the stalks and added 3-4 programmable buttons, I might rate them higher for a next car. That said, with the MG HS I guess I should have read 20+ pages of manual just to operate the 4-axis 3-rings windshield wipers stalk, not to mention that I could never engage cruise control at all despite trying; so my take on buttons is: something more than Tesla, way less than full-optional/overloaded car. At least with Tesla there's aftermarket options.

Smartphone/NFC: with the MG HS I had to perform a 4-point checklist every time I started it or parked it, and after 7y of Tesla it felt like a huge chore (esp. for quick stops). I've been very happy with Tesla and smartphone (failed maybe twice in 7y), and keep on me the Tesla card as backup (never needed it in the end). A key fob wouldn't annoy me if it worked just like the smartphone on my Tesla: if I don't have to do anything but keep it in my pocket, it'd be fine.

Door handles: the M3 handles are at the right intersection for me to be minimal, efficient and still mostly understandable (push, grab and pull). I can understand they're not regular grab and pull and not everyone is happy about it. I accidentally set off the MG HS alarm while the door and car were already unlocked by pressing the small button on the handle, which after seeing it for 10+y on many cars I still have absolutely no clue what it does (and most times it's only a placeholder for the small button).

Poorly calibrated ADAS: my experience with Tesla is extremely good and again strikes a good balance, while extremely poor applies to Hyundai i10, MG HS and others that I've driven recently. Also: the latter list seems to treat "silent ADAS" as a feature, while Tesla explicitly tells you whether auto-steer or cruise are being engaged or disconnecting, which seems a way better UX. I stopped using the lane assist on the MG HS because it'd randomly drop out even in mild curves without any clue whatsoever. The "auto-enable on restart" for these things is a reason I'll immediately drop the brand from the list of cars I may consider in the future (Hyundai i10).

One pedal: agree.

jp19191938 minutes ago
Newer Tesla glass roofs don't radiate any heat. So I've heard.
magic522713 minutes ago
People write off the Chevy Bolt (as does GM) but it solves all of these issues and is what has kept me from "upgrading." Normal buttons, normal car, normal handles, simple, fast, zero maintenance, and because they aren't fancy incredibly cheap used-car prices with near new batteries.
api11 minutes ago
Low cost and low maintenance is why they hate cars like this. They're not as profitable.

The ideal is a big overpriced car that depreciates rapidly and requires a lot of maintenance.

AngryDataabout 3 hours ago
Ugh the glass roofs. I don't know why people like them. "Why yes sir, I would love to get beat down on by the hot sun while lacking airflow over me and risk an expensive repair bill from a falling walnut!"
johanvtsabout 1 hour ago
I love it, makes the interior feel light and open and i never experienced it being super hot or baking my scalp, there is a coating on it making it very different from just a clear pane. Model 3, 195cm.
goda90about 1 hour ago
Not to mention how easy it is for T-rex to smash through.
cluelessabout 1 hour ago
This is the most important reason not to have them...
jerlamabout 1 hour ago
It's fine for a passenger, especially in the back seat. But as a driver, it adds a potentially bright source of light right at the top of your vision, and that can be annoying as hell. I covered my roof and I felt more relaxed since my eyes didn't have to adjust if I accidentally looked too far upwards.

Indoors, we avoid lighting a room with single bright overhead source of light. But this glass roof fad adds it to cars.

seanmcdirmid36 minutes ago
I can't imagine these are very popular in Arizona, but in the PNW the sun isn't a big problem for 10 months out of the year.
epolanskiabout 2 hours ago
Suddenly everyone is putting them on cars.

I went to test the new electric BMW iX3 and it had it.

It was funny because it was July in Southern Europe so it was quite obvious why it was the worst idea in the world.

ActorNightlyabout 2 hours ago
Most people don't utilize them fully.

- In the winter, if there is sun, and you have like black leather interior, it actually helps warm the car up.

-For trucks, having a glass roof is almost essential for seeing if you will fit into a parking garage. Having lived in Seattle, Im glad my truck had one.

- Opening the roof and setting AC to use outside air is the fastest way to vent the car. It doesn't create as many vorticies as opening the windows.

darth_avocadoabout 2 hours ago
What you’re describing is a sunroof that’s useful for a small set of use cases. Panoramic roofs that don’t open are different.
mikestew27 minutes ago
For trucks, having a glass roof is almost essential for seeing if you will fit into a parking garage.

If your truck is that tall, I suggest measuring it and recording the height. After that, you'll find that just about every low-hanging garage, drive-up, bridge, etc. has a height listed. Over 9.5'? Don't try and drive through the Arboretum, as the signs will tell you.

Opening the roof...

That's a sunroof, not a panoramic glass roof being discussed.

munificent39 minutes ago
I currently live in Seattle and drive a 4WD Toyota Tacoma with a rooftop tent on the back and frequently enter parking garages. I know the height of my truck and was careful to get a setup where the rooftop tent isn't gratuitously high. I think everything is still a little under 6' which is fine in just about every parking garage.

Even if my setup was taller, garages here are pretty good at having the height listed when you enter and anyone with a tall truck really should know exactly how tall it is.

I don't think a sunroof would help me. If I was ever in a situation where it did, I would already be taking too much of a risk of damaging something.

Fwirt31 minutes ago
Unfortunately probably not available in Australia, but as I've mentioned in other comments, GM for all its faults has managed to check all these boxes with the Bolt EV. It feels pretty much like a normal, boring car, which is a great thing. The only thing that violates the author's must-haves is that they put the A/C, heat, and heated seat controls on the touchscreen, although the "auto" climate control works well and is operated with a physical knob. Also I believe we have the higher trim model and it does not have motorized seats or seat memory, thankfully my wife and I are similarly proportioned enough that I only have to move the seat forward when I drive. It is by far my favorite of all the vehicles we've owned in recent years, and it's very affordable in the US.
moribvndvsabout 1 hour ago
I got a used 2023 Chevy Bolt and initially disregarded one pedal driving was an absurd and unnecessary feature, but now I think I would skip a car that doesn’t have it.
yolo300011 minutes ago
Does the one pedal drive activate the brake lights, or why does it feel that a lot of evs don't show the brake lights when 'braking', which is really annoying when you drive behind them.
moribvndvs6 minutes ago
On my car, yes it activates the brake light.
hangonhn44 minutes ago
I've never tried it but can you explain why you like it?

The idea is a bit hard for me to comprehend because there are definitely occasions that I would tap my brake kind of hard and then immediately speed up again. Perhaps my mental model is still very much ICE engine and torque converter oriented and that's holding me back from understanding this. From an abstract point of view, it seems there is only one variable I'm controlling for, which is acceleration, so having two pedals is just doing the same thing with more steps (literally). One pedal should give me everything I need.

moribvndvs9 minutes ago
As you suggest, it smooths out your driving habits. You’re just focusing on balancing the accelerator with your desired velocity, that’s it. Need to go slower? Back off the pedal until you hit the mark. The regenerative braking kicks in so it slows down quickly, sort of like light-to-medium braking. It’s more responsive than you might think. Need to go faster? Press the accelerator as usual. No more going back and forth between gas and brake, which makes it less exhausting in stop-and-go traffic. You’re also maximizing regenerative breaking, so that’s increased efficiency and less brake wear. That’s particularly good when you’re doing down hill.
Fwirt36 minutes ago
Anecdotally, to me it's just more fun. It increases range by relying entirely on the regenerative braking and relegating the disc brakes to an "emergency" role. For freeway driving in traffic it's also more intuitive, since you don't have to balance coasting/braking and can just ease off the pedal more to slow down quickly. Muscle memory can definitely be hard to break though, when I'm in a hurry I sometimes forget to enable single-pedal and drive for a bit before I realize it. The car we have (Chevy Bolt) has a separate regenerative brake control as a paddle on the back of the steering wheel for use in "regular" mode, but it's awkwardly placed.
mikestew24 minutes ago
It increases range by relying entirely on the regenerative braking and relegating the disc brakes to an "emergency" role.

I'm not sure about the Bolt, but most EVs work that way, one-pedal or not. Even a hybrid Prius doesn't seem to use the friction brakes unless it has to (emergency, coming to a low speed stop).

I don't like one-pedal on the Hyundai Ioniq if for no other reason than it uses both front/rear motors regardless. In contrast to Eco/Normal mode that uses the front motor only if it feels the need for moar power!!

multisport37 minutes ago
there's a big one that i'm surprised doesn't get more attention: motion sickness. Several friends of mine have commented that they avoid Uber's that are Teslas, because they are so jerky. Hard suspension, super torquey drivetrains, rigid chassis (good!), and spartan seats make for a pretty uncomfortable ride as a passenger.

i've never once been excited to ride in someone's ev, though they are fun to drive.

jrootabegaabout 2 hours ago
Combined turn signals and brake lights!
settsuabout 1 hour ago
This or even properly dedicated indicators that aren't orange.
ryan_glassabout 2 hours ago
A sim card which connects the car to the internet.
TheCowboyabout 1 hour ago
Add automatic high beams to the list.

They just don't work half as well as when people did it manually.

Before the pandemic, it was rare to get blinded by a person's brights. Now if I drive at night it's just non-stop, and I live in an area with street lighting. (Some of this is also due to after market LEDs and possibly lost driving manners.)

It's extra obnoxious as a pedestrian because at best they get turned off way too late, or frequently not at all.

mikestew20 minutes ago
Add automatic high beams to the list.

You mean to say "automatic high beams on Teslas". The ones on our Hyundai Ioniq work just fine, and have never blinded anyone. But in Redmond, WA, Teslas are everywhere and 90% if you're getting beamed, it's a Tesla. Their headlights are, in many cases, improperly aimed out of the factory and their shit auto high beams only make it worse.

cyberaxabout 1 hour ago
Uh... Auto beams made driving definitely more pleasant around here.

On the other hand, extra-bright blue LED headlights compensated for this.

kazinator41 minutes ago
One-pedal driving trains a driving habit that could lead to a regrettable mistake when getting used to a vehicle without it. The driver's seat is no place for poorly considered conveniences.
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cluelessabout 1 hour ago
One Pedal Drive Option tends to cause motion sickness.
why_atabout 1 hour ago
I agree with most of these but

>Smartphones and NFC cards instead of keyfob with buttons

Using a phone as a key is super convenient, and having a little credit card sized NFC key works great as a backup. I've rarely had any problems with it.

>Turning on/off headlights, auto lights are good but I still regularly need to manually control them.

Why? Auto headlights work 99.9% of the time in every car made in the last 20 years.

criemenabout 1 hour ago
> Using a phone as a key is super convenient, and having a little credit card sized NFC key works great as a backup. I've rarely had any problems with it.

The author elaborates that it only works intermittently for them, providing a long list of links to similar complaints?

why_atabout 1 hour ago
Sure but if we're comparing anecdotes all I'm saying is I've had a great experience.

The linked complaints are all for one specific car which I've never driven, so maybe there's some problem with that model or Volvo's software.

trashbabout 1 hour ago
I suppose as a band aid solution for the sunroof you could have the roof wrapped in the body color, an other color or even a funky design.

Also perhaps a hybrid would also fulfill the authors needs?

I do sympathize with the opinion that most new cars are not very attractive. At least to me as a petrol head.

losvedir33 minutes ago
I don't get the allure of one pedal driving. I have a Model Y, so I use it, but I'm just kind of "meh" about it. I think they introduced it related to re-gen, but these days it's kind of an arbitrary UX choice - on the Tesla you can enable brake assist to mimic the one-pedal driving experience when it's cold or you have a 100% battery, and other cars (maybe Tesla?) will periodically use brakes instead of regen to dry them off or otherwise exercise them a bit.

So then, if it's not actually a "fly-by-wire" mechanical system, why would you choose that as the UX? It cramps my calf constantly keeping it partially activated and the pedal half way depressed. More often than not I'll relieve my foot by doing short stints of cruise control, but that's tedious to manage.

My dream set up would be the accelerator pedal is, well, an accelerator, and the brake is a decelerator, and if you're not pressing either the car maintains the current velocity. It feels like _most_ of the time that you're driving you're just trying to make it go the same speed, and then you can press whichever pedal you need if you're wanting to stop or start again.

I don't suppose any cars work like this? ICE vehicles more or less in the moment do but "coasting" does decelerate a small amount so that over time you have to push the pedal again.

mikestew30 minutes ago
We've got one-pedal on the Ioniq. I've tried it, meh, I don't see the appeal. It's not horrible, but I'll probably never use it again for many of the same reasons you list.

My dream set up would be the accelerator pedal is, well, an accelerator, and the brake is a decelerator, and if you're not pressing either the car maintains the current velocity.

Sounds like cruise control, which many cars have.

hs586about 1 hour ago
As I was reading I thought “hey my Skoda seems to be ok with most of these things”, having gone for it more or less for the same reasons. Skoda seems to get it better. Is it because being a non-luxury tier car, they value function over form much more?
hs586about 1 hour ago
The lack of buttons is also extremely annoying on kitchen appliances. To open my microwave door, I need to make sure my finger is clean (it’s a kitchen!) and also adds a very annoying latency between the “pressing” and the door opening.
xnxabout 1 hour ago
Turning indicator stalks that don't allow soft-signaling (i.e. ability to nudge the stalk without snapping it into place).
Morromistabout 2 hours ago
I wonder if there's a blog or something that tells the story of how good car design went off the rails. I'm pretty sure that there was a culture of design that gradually worked out what a great car is like until somewhere in the 2010s - and then got flushed down the toilet, but I don't know anything about it.

I can see how this might have happened. Tessla was a big deal and had those horrible door handles and companies probably wanted to look innovative rather than have good working designs. And physical buttons are more expensive to put in and don't look nearly as futuristic. I heard an add for a car a few days ago on NPR that was literally just "it has 30+ inches of screens!"

But perhaps the story is more about consumers who just want new, exciting things like weird door handles and 30 inches of screens, who cares what they do, and the car companies just threw up their hands and gave them what they wanted? I don't know. I would love to know the full story. I'm sure its documented somewhere.

alistairSHabout 1 hour ago
I blame Musk. Maybe I'm way off base, but most of these trends were first highly visible in Tesla products. They may not have created each dumb UX decision, but certainly were one of the first to put them all into a single car.

I remember the first time I tried to go to lunch in a friend's Tesla. I couldn't get in or out of the stupid thing without instructions. And getting in would be next to impossible for somebody with bad rheumatoid arthritis and bad fingers - the "push with thumb, while pulling with fingers" is awkward at best.

pdimitarabout 1 hour ago
> But perhaps the story is more about consumers who just want new, exciting things like weird door handles and 30 inches of screens

We should never underestimate people's weird desires but this is mostly not it IMO. There was a new generation that felt the need to rebel against old established stuff and of course is now painfully rediscovering why this stuff was established in the first place.

Infuriating to watch, mind you. But also predictable, like watching bots play StarCraft against each other.

semanticjudoabout 3 hours ago
I recently bought a new car for the first time in 16 years. I had all the same concerns - my Acura MDX solved them all. It’s not perfect (has opaque shade for panoramic roof) but the number of physical buttons (dozens) is glorious. And the door handles are great.
kmeisthax19 minutes ago
I drive a Hyundai Elantra GT hatchback, and if there was a way to just rip out the engine and gas tank and replace them with an electric drivetrain and battery, I would. I literally do not need any more car than that, and every attempt to sell EVs on pointless futurism pisses me off.

The last time[0] I rented a car they tried to put me in a Tesla. I literally spent 30 minutes in the parking lot with my foot on the brake trying to figure out how to put it in park before giving up and engaging the parking brake buried three settings menus deep on the touchscreen. Walked back inside and they gave me some Kia EV that was about a million times better by virtue of having an almost-normal gear selector. The only real problem was that even the DC fast chargers took like an hour to get the car to full and "just charge it to 80% and top it off before you drop it off" is not an answer when your flight is at 8AM at JFK.

Related note: I'm not really interested in autonomous driving either. Cars that drive themselves are a band-aid solution for the underlying problem that cities build too much private car infrastructure and not enough transit infrastructure. People don't like sitting in traffic, they will actively avoid paying attention to the road when in traffic, and the easiest way to fix that traffic is to provide convenient alternatives to driving.

[0] Emphasis on last: this rental wound up being so comically overcharged that I am actively avoiding car rentals and taking public transit - or, worst case scenario, an Uber.

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cmoskiabout 1 hour ago
Subaru Trailseeker was the best I could find, for us.
kazinatorabout 1 hour ago
I hate the tall center storage boots that leave me with no room for my elbow. There is no reason for anything to be there in a front-wheel-drive vehicle.

Why do I have less elbow room than in some 60-year-old rear-wheel-drive that has a transmission and axle in that spot?

Short, tasteful drink tray and storage bin, please.

globular-toast42 minutes ago
I thought this was going to be about the noise, pollution, danger, bullying etc. Ah, no, it's about things that annoy the person on the inside of the car. So if both the people outside and inside the car hate the things, why are we stuck with them?

You could easily avoid every single one of these issues by driving an older bog standard, cheap car rather than one costing tens of thousands. Seems like a no brainer really?

mochacosine1206about 2 hours ago
There are EVs with no sunroof.
skywhopper33 minutes ago
“ A Hyundai executive told the media in 2024, "we also tried out putting touchscreen-based controls, and people didn’t prefer that", "people get stressed, annoyed and steamed when they want to control something in a pinch but are unable to do so".”

I always wonder if the folks who make these decisions themselves ever drive a car. Because this nonsense is wildly irritating. No one who regularly drives long distances could possibly think these are positive features, right?

ErroneousBoshabout 1 hour ago
I can tell you this annoyance - if you're behind a Kia Niro EV and you wonder why the driver is braking from 70 to 30 randomly all the way down a totally clear motorway, it's not the driver. The car's cameras have spotted a shadow across the road and decided it's an obstruction and panicked.

It's like being driven by an inexperienced and terribly stoned driver, paranoid, jumping at shadows, hallucinating shit all over the place.

The ones we have at work keep pinging and beeping about all sorts of shit - oh you're too close to that car over there! (Yeah the road is really narrow, shut up, you're the same width as my Range Rover, you fit just fine). Hey watch out for that twig that's 50 metres away across the field! Oh you wanted to change lanes? I don't think so! OMG WATCH OUT FOR THAT CAR YOU'RE ABOUT TO HIT! (yes because you steered back towards it you stupid machine).

Hey you look tired you should take a break right now so I'm going to ping and beep and make the instrument panel flash until you do, even though we only left five minutes ago and there's still over three hours to go!

Fuck everything to do with them. They're exhausting and stressful to drive. I don't know how anyone can cope with EVs.

Relectricabout 1 hour ago
I am so happy to get rid of physical buttons. When entering a rental car I often feel like I've entered the cockpit of an airplane. I think Toyota bz4x has 20 separate buttons on the steering wheel alone.
trashbabout 1 hour ago
I am exactly opposite, I feel like touch screens in cars are especially bad ux. If I get into a rental especially I don't want to go hunting through all menus to find out where to set what settings, which tiny slider to pull to do change the volume. Where to turn off the lane keep assist or adaptive cruise control.

I rented a car not an ipad multimedia system, touch screens in cars are totally counter intuitive and often don't have the basic functionally easily accessible. Also usually the ui is laggy.

TheCowboyabout 1 hour ago
Tactile buttons can be pressed while keeping your eyes on the road and your surroundings. Touchscreens are inherently visual and require looking. Relative positioning of differently shaped buttons help guide your fingers to what you need.