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evantahlerabout 3 hours ago
I feel like asking the thing that you are measuring, and don’t trust, to measure itself might not produce the best measurements.
john_strinlaiabout 3 hours ago
"we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong"
Retr0idabout 2 hours ago
What is "drift"? It seems to be one of those words that LLMs love to say but it doesn't really mean anything ("gap" is another one).
Retr0id33 minutes ago
jlduggerabout 1 hour ago
IDK how it applies to LLMs but the original meaning was a change in a distribution over time. Like if you had some model based app trained on American English, but slowly more and more American Spanish users adopt your app; training set distribution is drifting away from the actual usage distribution.

In that situation, your model accuracy will look good on holdout sets but underperform in user's hands.

idle_zealotabout 2 hours ago
I believe it's businessspeak for "change." Gap is suittongue for "difference."
redanddeadabout 1 hour ago
there are many causes, but it’s a drift in performance

you can drift a tool via the harness in many ways

you can modify the system prompt

you can modify the underlying model powering the harness

you can use different “thinking” levels for different processes in the harness

you can change the entire way a system works via the harness, which could be better or worse, depending on many things

you can introduce anti-anti-slop within the harness to foil attempts from users using patch scripts

you can modify how your tool sends requests to your server depending on many variables

you can handle requests differently, depending on any variable of your choosing, at the server level

you can modify the compute allotment per user depending on many things, from the backend, without telling the user, it’s very easy. you can modify it dynamically depending on your own usage or the user’s cycle. Or their organization’s priority level as a customer. The weekly and daily usage management system is intricate, compute is very finite and must be managed

the user has literally no way to know and you have no legal obligation to tell them, you never made them any legally binding promises

the combination of so many factors that all affect each other means that you can, if you’d want to, create a new clusterfuck of an experience anytime any of these or unknown variables change, it may not even be deliberate, it grows exponentially complex, so you may not even be able to promise a specific standard to your users

drift is not imagined, sure, but admitting to it could expose you to unneeded liability

Retr0id44 minutes ago
That's a lot of words without actually defining the term, although idle_zealot's suggestion of "change" seems to make grammatical sense as a replacement here.
redanddead39 minutes ago
yeah, figured i’d put some thought into it, you know?
aleksiy123about 3 hours ago
Interesting approach, I've been particularly interested in tracking and being able to understand if adding skills or tweaking prompts is making things better or worse.

Anyone know of any other similar tools that allow you to track across harnesses, while coding?

Running evals as a solo dev is too cost restrictive I think.

FrankRay78about 2 hours ago
See the very last section in this doc for how I minimise token usage and track savings, all three plugins co-exist fine: https://github.com/FrankRay78/NetPace/blob/main/docs/agentic...
Yemane510 minutes ago
thanks
redanddeadabout 1 hour ago
the actual canary is the need for the canary itself
lioeters27 minutes ago
like the status page of a service provider that goes down when the service goes down. you had one job
wongarsuabout 3 hours ago
See also https://marginlab.ai/trackers/claude-code-historical-perform... for a more conventional approach to track regressions

This project is somewhat unconventional in its approach, but that might reveal issues that are masked in typical benchmark datasets