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evkleinabout 2 hours ago
Something the author sorta neglects to mention is that this makes you feel like shit, if you have any sort of conscience at all. Corporations largely don't care about individuals, and so maybe you shouldn't care about loyalty to your employer, but if you pride yourself on a skill or being able to do your job competently then doing mass time theft comes up with a nasty side effect; the time you spend planning trips or doing hobbies, or doing anything that you shouldn't be, isn't time that can be fully enjoyed. Additionally, you're taking a big risk, and you're opening yourself up to all kinds of scrutiny and potentially even losing your job if you're caught.
heathrow83829about 1 hour ago
not at all. the author, said he was getting his obligations done and making his boss's life easier. that's a win for both the employee, the boss and the company.

why do you think it's morally acceptable for an employee to negotiate as toughly as possible for his/her salary but not for their time? It's all a negotiation process. the key thing is, he's meeting his agreed upon obligations. whether or not you do it efficiently (like him) or inefficiently wasting all your time is up to you.

graybeardhackerabout 1 hour ago
Came here to say exactly this. Every interaction becomes a lie. I can bullshit with the best of them but doing it every day is not a path to satisfaction for me personally. Trying to do a side hustle at the same time only makes it worse.
GuinansEyebrowsabout 2 hours ago
maybe.

i think the types of environments that foster the culture of bullshit jobs are bereft of conscience (ymmv as far as how you react to that in your own job).

additionally, many people within those environments feel that scrutiny or lack of job security even when they play by the rules.

something i've been thinking about a lot lately is that i don't feel very bad being cynical about these kinds of systems when they're helmed by people who are cynical about me. if my job is at risk due to mismanagement, restructuring, "the market" or anything else that would cause my employer to see me as a line item and not a human being with needs, i have every right to view my employment as an asset to manipulate as i see fit as well. turnabout is fair play. conversely, i've also been lucky to have had some good bosses and i don't act as ruthlessly in those situations.

evkleinabout 1 hour ago
I don't disagree with your idea at all, just with the approach. I think if you exist within an environment where you can still thrive leeching off of an ineffective organization, and you're okay with this because you understand that they view you as an expendable asset, then the right thing to do isn't to just keep doing that; the right thing to do is find a better spot to work.

All of this is easier said than done, and there's lots of reasons to stay put and half-ass a good thing while you can. I can't fault anyone for making that choice, and I don't even really view it as particularly malicious. Just not something I can do and simultaneously go home feeling good about my place in the world.

dasil003about 1 hour ago
I get that working in the corporate world is often alienating, and also that one might have to accept a bullshit job in order to put food on the table, so on some level I say do what you gotta do.

But beyond that, man this is such a depressing way to live. I've worked a lot of jobs I don't like and put in varying degrees of effort based on how I feel about the people and the situation. But generally one value I live by is that if I'm paid to do something I'm going to try to do a good job at it. That doesn't mean burning myself out or going above and beyond for a boss or company that doesn't deserve it. But for my own integrity and self-worth I have to at least put in a baseline professional effort. If I can't stomach even doing that then it's a clear sign I need to be planning my exit, anything less is disrespectful to my basic self.

connoronthejobabout 2 hours ago
I've worked with these people. I noticed.
_doctor_loveabout 2 hours ago
There's a lot of this in the industry world-wide. The bigger the company, the more likely this is to occur.

I think this kind of phenomenon is why I feel that some people rightly should be worried about AI automating their job away.

nuslabout 1 hour ago
This seems like a very stupid thing to put on the open Internet attached to your name
AbbeFariaabout 1 hour ago
If you have the self-awareness to realise that your job is BS and is deleterious to your well being the path of least resistance is to simply quit and find another job hopefully that is more relevant to what you’re skilled at.

All this chicanery to escape work would only eat at my conscience. I don’t believe for one moment that I should be emotionally attached to my employer but at the same time I am a professional and am paid to do a job. I should hold up my end of the bargain. Being deceitful 24X7, 365 days a year will eventually wear me out because there’s always the chance I will be found out. There’s also the reputational risk of being found BS’ing which is non-trivial and could ruin chances of future employment.

The path of least resistance is simply to quit.

hyperhello5 minutes ago
The thing is that it’s not polar. You can actually take a wider view and learn to optimize for selfish reasons, and once you’ve figured out the program you can go back to what you’re most comfortable with having a new perspective on how to do your job more efficiently.
tim-tdayabout 2 hours ago
Congratulations you had a bullshit job, insufficient oversight and not enough personal and professional pride to do the work you were paid to do (a job is a promise, they promise to pay you and you promise to work. The fact that I have to say this kills me a little bit inside)

You broke your promise and lied about it every day for a year. You proved that your career (that you presumably worked hard to build) was a farce. This says nothing about the nature of work and everything about the quality of person reporting the “problem”.

People like this make me never want to employ anyone ever again. Congrats you destroyed what little faith in humanity I had left. I’m glad you finally quit and I hope you never apply for or are offered a job again. (Clearly not mature enough to manage your own work without an extreme amount of oversight).

Might I suggest something real and tangible? Serve beer or keep chickens. At least when you violate your promise people will know immediately. (Here’s your beer. The glass is empty. No I filled it I promise. It is clearly empty. That’ll be £6. Again, no beer)

Oh maybe this was satire! “Here’s how a bullshit person operating in bad faith would conduct themselves” I don’t think it was satire.

sir0010010about 1 hour ago
> I’m glad you finally quit and I hope you never apply for or are offered a job again.

Never is a long time. Do you not think it's possible that this person could end up in a different environment and be very successful as an employee and be a great asset to her employer? Is there a reason you personally wouldn't want this to happen at any point in the future?

guywithahatabout 2 hours ago
There is a class of people who resent their job based purely on political motives and I can't stand them. If you don't think you're doing enough, try and pick up new work. Don't be afraid to add value to society.

There is an irony that people who tend to resent work are often the same people who proselytize about unions are despite the fact if they were offered a real union job they'd turn their nose up at it. People like this author ruin high-trust societies and hopefully she's only able to work low-trust positions now that she's published this.

jbxntuehineohabout 2 hours ago
> waaaahhhhh you broke your promise!! to your employer!!

my current employer broke no fewer than two promises they had made to me within a few months of my starting there. they did this simply because they could: it was cheaper for them and they knew there was little I could do in response. so you'll forgive me if I don't give half a fuck about these people, and do as little work as i can get away with

jakobnissenabout 1 hour ago
When people treat you badly, you confront them. If they won't change behaviour and you don't have any recourse, you avoid them. You *don't* compromise your own morals, and you *absolutely* don't advocate cheating in general.
jazz9kabout 2 hours ago
Not everyone has a bullshit job. If I stopped working for even a couple of days, people would notice, and I would eventually get fired.