Back to News
Advertisement
Advertisement

⚡ Community Insights

Discussion Sentiment

84% Positive

Analyzed from 1503 words in the discussion.

Trending Topics

#actions#github#https#com#sha#dagger#still#runtime#tags#using

Discussion (36 Comments)Read Original on HackerNews

rmunnabout 3 hours ago
Back when GitHub Actions first came out, I used commit hashes rather than tags in all my `uses:` lines. Some of my colleagues disagreed, saying that tags were secure enough. I eventually said, "Well, for well-known actions like actions/checkout, sure; if that one gets compromised it'll be all over the news within minutes." But for all the third-party actions, I kept commit hashes.

I feel rather vindicated now. There's still a small possibility of getting supply-chain attacked via a SHA collision, or a relatively much larger (though still small in absolute terms) possibility of getting supply-chain attacked via NPM dependencies of the action you're relying on.

But if you're not using a commit hash in your `uses:` lines, go switch to it now. And if you're just using major-version-only tags like `v5` then do it RIGHT now, before that action gets a compromised version uploaded with a `v5.2.3` tag.

mmarian9 minutes ago
There are downsides to it though. You... - lose vulnerability alerts - increase maintenance overhead - take on all that for value that will go to 0 once Immutable Releases gets widely adopted

I wrote a couple of blog posts on it, and a makeshift way of tackling that https://developerwithacat.com/blog/202604/github-actions-sup...

maxlohabout 3 hours ago
GitHub Actions doesn't have a lock file, so your repo is still prone to transitive attacks if the SHA-locked actions you use also happen to use other composite actions by tags, which could be compromised in the future.
mmarian6 minutes ago
Agreed. Good news is GitHub will address that with Immutable Releases https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/whats-coming-... You won't even need to use commit SHA as long as the maintainer follows this approach.
Munksgaard43 minutes ago
Even with a lock file, the action can download and execute arbitrary code from the internet.
arionmilesabout 3 hours ago
I feel pretty happy we use Renovator (EDIT: It's Renovate) at my current workplace which by default will raise PRs to change any tags for actions with the SHA instead. Then, even when it bumps the version in future PRs, it bumps the SHA (with a comment of which tag version it represents)
mmarian8 minutes ago
If you auto merge those PRs you're back to square 1 as you're not vetting your dependency updates. And if you don't, you incur operational overhead unless you put in a fair amount of effort centralizing. Wrote a couple of posts that touched on this https://developerwithacat.com/blog/202604/github-actions-sup...
jamietannaabout 2 hours ago
Glad to hear you're enjoying Renovate - I'm biased, but I agree that the SHA pinning PR updates are a very nice feature

We recently found (in Renovate) some edge cases with how tags work in GitHub Actions which was fun (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47892740) and there's a few things in there Dependabot doesn't seem to support too

tecleandorabout 2 hours ago
Is it Renovator or Renovate? I'm trying to find it to check it out...
arionmilesabout 2 hours ago
Oops, my bad. We keep calling it Renovator internally but the name is RenovateBot or Renovate.

https://docs.renovatebot.com/

rileymichaelabout 3 hours ago
just noting that pinning within your own actions is not enough, you also need to ensure any composite actions do not use mutable references (for actions, docker images, etc.)
AlecBGabout 1 hour ago
You can enforce at the org level to only allow actions pinned to hashes. You can also choose a small whitelist of actions to allow.
samuelknightabout 3 hours ago
There is no realistic risk of a SHA collision attack. Getting supply chain attacked via NPM dependencies is much more likely. Hopefully the actions creators are also pinning their hashes.
recursivedoubtsabout 3 hours ago
Programming in YAML has always seemed crazy to me. Actions seem like a great place to create a simple mixed imperative/declarative scripting language (js extension or whatever) with a solid instrumented/observable/debuggable runtime and an OO API that can be run locally against mock infrastructure.
bastardoperatorabout 2 hours ago
No thanks, Jenkins has three DSL languages and none of it is good. You dont have to inline code in yaml, you can call a script and call it day, write that script in any language you want.
cenamusabout 2 hours ago
You can do the same in jenkins, but a bit of scripting is probably more readable in Groovy than whatever Yaml dsl.

But I totally agree that the Jenkins langs are terrible, the errors even worse, somehow they managed to make jvm backtraces even more unreadable.

lstoddabout 1 hour ago
idk I always just wrote shell to be called by jenkins. none of this idiocy of programming with html comboboxes. DSL for the domain is shell, no need to invent hyperwheels here.
shykesabout 3 hours ago
I apologize in advance for the plug. I've spent the last 5 years warning of the importance of not leaving CI locked in a black box platform and proprietary DSL. All the while going on a quest to reinvent CI as an open, programmable platform. Honestly it's still a work-in-progress: it turns out that reinvention is hard! But, if you want a glimpse of what CI can be when you shed 30 years of legacy, consider checking out Dagger (https://dagger.io).

Or, if you just want to talk about the future of CI with like-minded systems engineers, without committing to using a particular product, consider joining our Discord: https://discord.com/invite/dagger-io

cataflutter26 minutes ago
A while ago I checked this out and the homepage looked like it had fallen to the 'AI hype' trend, you know like how everything was 'AI-native XYZ for Autonomous Agents' at the time. I'm not seeing that now though.

Am I thinking of someone else or did you reverse on that?

shykes21 minutes ago
Yes, that was us. And yes, we reversed on that. The feedback from our community was quite clear :)
sureglymopabout 1 hour ago
Looks cool. Can it be self hosted? I.e. can I self host it next to my self hosted forgejo instance?
shykes7 minutes ago
Yes, the Dagger engine is open source. Note that the engine on its own is not a CI replacement: it provides a runtime for your pipelines, but you still need an external system to trigger pipelines from git events. This decoupling is intentional, because CI should not be tightly coupled to git events. Sometimes you want to run a pipeline after pushing; but sometimes you need it before pushing, or even before committing. The pipeline runtime therefore should operate at a different layer than git events.

In practice this means you can combine Dagger with, say, Github Actions or another "legacy" CI platform. And use it as runner & event infrastructure for your portable Dagger pipelines.

We also offer a complete Dagger-native CI platform, which combines hosted Dagger engines, git triggers, and all the infrastructure necessary to run your CI end-to-end. That is in early access as part of Dagger Cloud, our commercial offering.

electricappsabout 2 hours ago
Great writeup. Though combined with the lack of lockfiles for transitive actions, relying purely on static analysis is tough. Linter like zizmor are great, but they struggle with deep composite actions trees and runtime template injection.

I got frustrated with the lack of security to started working myself on an open-source runtime sandbox for GHA: https://github.com/electricapp/hasp

The first check was inspired by the trivy attack. hasp enforces SHA pinning AND checks that a comment (# v4.1.2) actaully resolves to its preceding SHA. That grew into a larger suite of checks.

Instead of just statically parsing YAML it hooks into the runner env itself. Some of its runtime checks mirror what zizmor already does including resolving upstream SHAs to canonical branches (no impostor commits) and traversing the transitive dependency tree. I have a PR up with a comparison document here (hasp vs. zizmor): https://github.com/electricapp/hasp/pull/13/changes#diff-aab...

Furthermore, it sandboxes itself to prevent sensitive exfiltration by acting as a token broker which injects the secret at runtime -- the GH token can only ever be used to call the GH API. It uses landlock, seccomp, and eBPF via Rust, so no docker. The token broker sandbox can also be used to wrap a generic executable giving hasp generic applicability beyond GHA context (i.e. agentic or other contexts, where token runtime injection seems quite in vogue)

I'm using this as a stopgap until GH rolls out some of the features on its roadmap. I'm moving torward treating the runner as a zero-trust or actively malicious environment, so this was my small contribution on that front.

peterldownsabout 2 hours ago
Yup! Still haven't switched off of Github, but considering it at this point. If you're in my shoes, here's some tools we use that help:

- https://github.com/sethvargo/ratchet for pinning external Actions/Workflows to specific commit hashes

- https://www.warpbuild.com/ for much faster runners (also: runs-on/namespace/buildjet/blacksmith/depot/... take your pick)

- soon moving to Buildkite for orchestration of our CI jobs

I still just need a reasonable alternative for the "store our git repo, allow us to make and merge prs" part of things. Hopefully someone takes all the pieces that the Pierre team is publishing and makes this available soon. The Github UI and the `gh` cli are actually really nice and the existing alternative code storage tools are not great IMO.

a_t48about 1 hour ago
Why warpbuild over the alternatives? I've seen depot before and am tempted, but open to other platforms.
kfarr30 minutes ago
I still don't understand why the official github pages action is on an account called "peaceiris" ?? peaceiris/actions-gh-pages@v3
globular-toast8 minutes ago
I thought GitHub was great back in the day. My account goes back to 2009. It was so much better than what came before, e.g. Sourceforge. Admittedly, the centralised nature was a problem.

I was heartbroken when Microsoft bought it. There should be a way for citizens to rebel against such things. It feels like it's been on a downward trajectory ever since.

KolmogorovCompabout 3 hours ago
This should really what LLM ought to bring in terms of security. Be able to break things faster considering it is now easier for the maintainers to fix them.

This has downsides of course, moving further into the "everything rot so fast these days" trope, but we will in a adversarial world where the threat is constantly evolving.

Tomorrow (today) the servers and repo won't be scanned by scripts anymore but by increasingly capable models with knowledge about more security issues than many searchers.

tomaytotomatoabout 3 hours ago
<tangent>

Github actions is running like treacle now. Even when our company pays lots of money for cloud and private Github runners.

I know its the go-to punchbag but I think enabling Copilot reviews globally for a large proportion of Github was a bit hasty.

The security problems aside, if it continues this way, people won't be able to ship and deploy code from Github actions.

We might dare I say it, have to go back to self hosted Jenkins or Travis CI.

tagravesabout 2 hours ago
shameless self plug, but please check out RWX! (rwx.com)
faangguyindiaabout 3 hours ago
I just have a Spot instance we use for our builds. It's turned on via serverless, runs it's job with a timeout and exits.

Lately i don't use any managed services and life couldn't be any simpler.

kevin_nisbetabout 3 hours ago
My team has been using https://runs-on.com/ for AWS instance runners, had a few glitches but largely been great for using AWS instances for runners.
ossianericson29 minutes ago
The OIDC federation between the runner and the cloud resources it touches , that credential gets created once. Permissive enough to not block the first deploy, and it is not what is reviewed when a pinning incident happens. Every one is looking at the action. The identity it runs as just sits there.
Advertisement
indigodaddyabout 3 hours ago
This aligns nicely with today's/current GitHub Actions outage
iso1631about 3 hours ago
Github outage? Must be a Y in the day