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jonathanlydallabout 4 hours ago
I enjoyed the article. Nappies are very impressive and something I never really thought about before becoming a parent.

Reminds me of something I often slightly chuckle about as a parent.

I’ve often encountered non-parents, particularly teenagers, who remark how the thought of changing nappies horrifying and a really big deal. But as any parent knows, changing nappies is really one of the easier parts of looking after babies and toddlers.

le-mark36 minutes ago
> who remark how the thought of changing nappies horrifying and a really big deal

It’s a similar experience to changing parents diapers when you are an adult and they are end of life. Seems horrific, then you just do it.

munchbunnyabout 3 hours ago
> But as any parent knows, changing nappies is really one of the easier parts of looking after babies and toddlers.

For sure, probably because stinky diapers are visceral but psychological challenges aren’t, yet I think most parents would agree about having to dig far deeper into our inner resolve to deal with age-appropriate behavioral issues.

Aurornisabout 2 hours ago
I had read so many casual internet comments about infants being horrible and how unbelievably difficult it was that by the time I actually had kids, it seemed almost mild by comparison.

It's not an easy thing, but some of the histrionic claims about child raising on the internet are really out there. It's no wonder kids are horrified by the thought.

gwbas1c14 minutes ago
When I had my first, she pooped in her diaper as I was holding her at the dinner table.

Then I looked up and my mother came running towards me, all excited to be able to change a diaper for the first time in seven years.

Andrexabout 3 hours ago
A soldier adjusts to the horrors of war in the same way, fwiw. ;)
mcphage10 minutes ago
Oh, there’s definitely hard parts of having kids—but changing diapers isn’t really one of them.
madcaptenor11 minutes ago
It also helps that newborn poop doesn't smell particularly bad. It only starts smelling like poop when they start eating real food.
ignoramousabout 3 hours ago
> But as any parent knows, changing nappies is really one of the easier parts of looking after babies and toddlers.

When you have twins, or triplets, or more... Nothing at all is easy. Unless you're privileged (or have help), their early years become your living life's only work.

> ... encountered non-parents ...

One reason why I hold anxiety for infants at orphanages or under care.

leonidasv37 minutes ago
When my mother gave birth to my younger brother, she started using cloth diapers on him, worried about the environmental impact of disposable diapers like the ones she used on me during my childhood. She went back to disposable in less than a month.
forcedfakelaughabout 1 hour ago
Our family uses cloth diapers (except when we’re traveling). We chose them because we don’t trust the chemicals in disposable diapers that come into contact with such a sensitive area. They’re a bit labor-intensive, but having a washer and dryer helps a lot.
intrasight44 minutes ago
We did as well. We were fortunate to have a good diaper service in the neighborhood. I think it was less expensive than disposables.
vscode-rest41 minutes ago
Is there a pre-cleaning step at all? Or do you toss them right in to the washer? Do they get their own load?
pbhjpbhj5 minutes ago
We had a lidded bucket, dump any solids into the toilet, fold any remaining mess inside, put in bucket. We primed the bucket with water into which we put tea-tree oil (for scent and disinfectant purposes). Some people will use the toilet as a pre-rinse; never did it myself.

We used nappy liners, a piece of paper to catch the worst of the poo. And 'wraps' on the outside. The nappies had poppers; you could popper them differently as they grew.

On wash day, empty the water from the bucket into the toilet, lift the nappies individually into the [front-loading] washing machine.

We bought our cloth nappies on eBay, already second-hand. We passed them on still usable years afterwards.

I did start potty training as soon as they went on solids, well before they could sit unaided! We used baby-sign, and I tried a couple of elimination communication techniques. Baby-sign was great, they could tell us they needed potty before they could talk; first child even made a new toilet sign to differentiate between wee/poo.

We had compostable nappies for times when we needed them - too rainy to dry clothes, too sleepy, backup for when they wee/poo on the nappy as you're putting it on them when you're out and about.

Only thing we'd wash with the nappies was soiled clothing (baby grows) or towels we'd lie on the bed to change their nappy on. A month or so in we got a changing table (Ikea).

gwbas1c11 minutes ago
It's explained in the article. First quote:

> You want a covered pail partially filled with water to put used diapers in as soon as removed. If it contains soap or detergent, this helps in removing stains. Be sure the soap is well dissolved, to prevent lumps of soap from remaining in the diapers later. When you remove a soiled diaper, scrape the movement off into the toilet with a knife, or rinse it by holding it in the toilet while you flush it (hold tight).

> You wash the diapers with mild soap or mild detergent in [the] washing machine or washtub (dissolve the soap well first), and rinse 2 or 3 or 4 times. The number of rinsings depends on how soon the water gets clear and on how delicate the baby’s skin is. If your baby’s skin isn’t sensitive, 2 rinsings may be enough.

The technique hasn't changed much.

arjieabout 3 hours ago
Spock! A classic. My parents, when raising me in the '80s and '90s, had a copy of his book and tried their best to follow what it said. I still recall the cover with the smiling baby. An amusing anecdote my father now has retold many times over (as fathers do) is that despite Spock's best advice there was something that I refused to do. His friend, a psychologist, pointed out that while Spock's advice might be good, my father could not expect me to behave as described because I had not read the book.

Another thing that's interesting here to me is the two fingers below the diaper to avoid sticking the infant with the pin. Two fingers under the diaper is still standard enough guidance that we and others we know received it at the hospital when diapering our child, though the reason expressed was one of tightness. I wonder if perhaps the former is the origin and the latter is a backformation.

And finally, the environmental question. Since my wife and I are quite old[0], and I want us to have more than one child I have pushed our household to the extreme end of consumerism[1]. We live in a 2 story flat in San Francisco, and until recently we had a changing station downstairs and two upstairs, with a diaper pail by each.

Here I encountered the problem that plagues anyone who has many battery-powered appliances - what convenience you gain in use, you lose when it comes to replace batteries. The Diaper Genie tall can we have is a very effective device at keeping smells in, but multiple cans means the time between replacement is doubled - something which you are rapidly made aware of by your senses[2], when it's time to replace the bag. The convenience is still worth it.

I do have a friend with more children than us, who will probably continue to have more children than us, whose family uses cloth diapers. So it is not an impossible task, and for someone adequately concerned about the environment and appropriately disciplined, perhaps quite straightforward to do.

0: if you want to see what happens when you have a baby near 40, https://wiki.roshangeorge.dev/w/Pregnancy

1: my rationale was that by easing the difficulties of pregnancy, I might reduce any resistance my wife might have to having the next child.

2: "Pain, even agony, is no more than information before the senses, data fed to the computer of the mind. The lesson is simple: you have received the information, now act on it. Take control of the input and you shall become master of the output" - Chairman Shen-ji Yang.

shawn_w17 minutes ago
Checking to see if you're able to fit two fingers underneath a dressing to make sure it's not too tight and won't cut off circulation is standard practice in health care; not just diapers.
firesteelrain19 minutes ago
Favorite memory of diaper genie was after the pail is full, and you slice off the captured diapers, was slinging the long sausage link like string of diapers into the apartment dumpster. Ah the memories
arjie4 minutes ago
Haha! I'm still living this. Down the garbage chute you go, diaper sausage!
sikozuabout 2 hours ago
Thanks for the link! I've never seen this documented in a wiki format on the internet before, truly cool.
m463about 3 hours ago
> plagues anyone who has many battery-powered appliances

costco sells these AA+AAA coast lithium ion batteries that are 1.5v and seem to have high capacity and long charge time.

Seems better than either duracell disposables or the nimh rechargables that I use.

XorNotabout 2 hours ago
Oddly enough I have a whole bunch of the lithium-ion ones with a USB-C connector in the side. Keeping a specific charger around for batteries sucks but I have a lot of Anker chargers so this works quite well.
m463about 1 hour ago
These batteries have usb-c charging with a charging LED and come with a usb-a to 4x USB-C cable. Pretty convenient.

In comparison, the duracell batteries have a pretty good lifetime, but just go dead. They also don't work in the cold.

the nimh batteries are rechargable and somewhat convenient, but have a short lifetime. This seems to be because they are 1.2v and the devices think they're low on power more easily, plus their self-discharge is lots faster than other batteries.

mrcsharpabout 3 hours ago
This is the first thing I read this morning and I'm not even a dad yet (or maybe never).

I miss this side of HN nowadays.

uma_ch36 minutes ago
Interesting side note. In some countries such as Japan the sale of adult diapers has now overtaken baby diapers. Pretty sad to think about. Wonder how manufacturers in other countries are thinking as birth rates drop.
msuniverse2026about 3 hours ago
Seems easier to just sit em in the backyard and hit em with the hose
speed_spreadabout 3 hours ago
This has interesting side effects below freezing temps. Icicle babies don't smell at all until they thaw.
drfloyd51about 2 hours ago
They hold their poses better when they are frozen too.
schnitzelstoatabout 4 hours ago
This was really interesting! I’d never considered how challenging it is to manufacture and mass produce them.

The books it mentions of business/corporate histories look worth a read too.

wodenokotoabout 2 hours ago
I’ve seen the cotton diapers my parents used for me and I don’t see how they could have competed with any lackluster version of the disposable diaper mentioned in the article.
yen223about 1 hour ago
I use cloth diapers, but modern disposable diapers can hold a lot, a lot of pee. Significantly more than any cloth diapers can. This means a lot less blowouts with disposables.
crmd30 minutes ago
As an American, I’m embarrassed because it’s a thought-terminating cliché, but I hear great “modern marvels”-type stories about innovation like this and think, “we used to be a country…”
dlluabout 4 hours ago
Nowadays some parents went back to opting for cloth diapers. Apart from the obvious environmental aspect, there's the idea that ultra absorbent and comfy diapers disincentivize babies from signalling that they are about to poop. Apparently, babies can communicate when they need to go even quite early on, in what's called "elimination communication". This also makes them a lot easier to potty train later on.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elimination_communication

mikestorrentabout 3 hours ago
I used cloth diapers to great effect with my two kids. We'd use disposable ones when going out, but for around the house (and at daycare, bless them!) we were able to use cloth. I think we saved a pile of money, and yes, they were both trained pretty early.

Nobody wants them, even free... I guess I'll just throw them all out eventually, I've offered to new parents and they're all horrified by the concept

yen223about 2 hours ago
Haha, we got second-hand cloth diapers. Figured it can't be worse than what our little one is going to do to them!
hermanbabout 2 hours ago
Our baby was capable of sending these signals when she was a few weeks. So most pees she does hanging above the sink. This saves so many diapers, crazy. And much more comfortable for her to never have a wet butt, not even a minute. Would recommend!

I think within the next few months we can actually get her to go to the potty by herself. She’s 15 months now.

This industry wasn’t just good. It did destroy babies sensitivity to soiling.

danielodievichabout 2 hours ago
We had cloth diaper service for our two children, where they'd deliver a huge stack of nice soft thick cotton squares, and take away the dirty ones, once a week. They barely smelled, especially in the beginning before solid foods start. They were excellent as burpy cloths on the shoulder too. Disposable diapers were more excellent for outside, and at later times for sleeping through the night when we realized that the absorbency was better for sleep. We definitely felt better about the environment with the reusable cloth ones.
DonHopkinsabout 2 hours ago
I thought "Elimination Communication" was the technical term for Trump tweeting from the toilet.
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cogogoabout 4 hours ago
Our kids have been out of diapers for a couple of years. We loved these bamboo diapers[0] Nearly as good as pampers. Much softer and much better for the environment. I have no relationship to the company.

And disposables dropping at 10cents a pair. Holy crap! I thought they were expensive now.

Finally we had a crazy trustee in our condo assoc that wanted us to scrape the poop off before we threw diapers away in our community barrels (in sealed bags of course). We just smiled and nodded.

[0]https://dyper.com/

greekrich92about 3 hours ago
Great read. Being an engineer in the mid 20th century must have been fun and satisfying.

We pay for a diaper service. The price is comparable to disposables. The population density where I live helps with the price I'm sure.

fsckboyabout 2 hours ago
it is recommended (search, you'll see) that at home you don't wash your underwear with your other clothes because there is a nonnegligible amount of fecal matter and associated bacteria remaining after washing.

extending that notion to nappies being community washed in large vats (separated by mesh bags and kept separable?) is horrifying. I suppose they put in some chlorine bleach to sterilize? Still, chlorine bleach might whiten the masticated corn kernels but...

xyzzy_plughabout 2 hours ago
I think your imagination is much worse than reality. While your home laundry is arguably questionable (a lot of the sterilization occurs in the drier!) industrial laundry is a different ballgame altogether. How do you think hospital bedding gets cleaned? Most if not all industrial laundromats do regular testing of cleaned items to test for bacteria, organic matter, etc.

A nappy service is very likely to do a much better job than you'd do at home.

IncreasePostsabout 4 hours ago
Is this the first written reference to having a poop knife?
dekhnabout 2 hours ago
Hmm, I thought the other poop knife apocryphal story was older, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X1... but the oldest reference I could find there was 1953, while the Spock book is older.
evulhotdogabout 4 hours ago
Asking the hard hitting questions.
speed_spreadabout 3 hours ago
It was always implied in the expression "cut the crap"
AbcCartCurtabout 2 hours ago
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