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joramsabout 1 hour ago
> facilities were purchased for between 1 million yen and 5 million yen and resold to Chinese buyers for between 40 million yen and as much as 100 million yen depending on location

Those prices seem weird. They were buying entire care homes and hotels for less than the price of a car? I understand they come with obligations, but these businesses were apparently financially ok before the acquisition.

decimalenough28 minutes ago
I'm familiar with Japan and find it quite believable.

You may be familiar with the "akiya" phenomenon, where empty houses in the Japanese countryside are sold for a song. The same applies not just to residential homes, but to other buildings as well, and their price tag is very low for the same reason: the property has serious issues and/or has been vacant for years, and will require far more than the initial investment to make habitable.

Here's a fascinating blog post by someone who went poking around the ruins of one hot spring town (Kinugawa) that went through a particularly dramatic boom and bust cycle: https://spikejapan.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/983/

This particular hotel at least appears to have been open until fairly recently, but Google reviews describe the "Showa-era" furnishings (read: 1980s at best), and it's on the fairly grim slate grey Kujukurihama beach 3.5 hours from Tokyo by train: https://maps.app.goo.gl/G53KWyCsmeUy8JyR9

ekianjo11 minutes ago
We are not taking about akiya here but actual businesses. A thriving business would never sell for one million yen.
decimalenough9 minutes ago
What makes you think these businesses are thriving? It's scams upon scams: the Japanese mastermind buys failing businesses on the cheap, pumps up the price and sells them to Chinese people, who then proceed to use them to essentially scam residence visas from the Japanese government.
protimewasterabout 1 hour ago
> Those prices seem weird.

I was thinking the same thing. In many parts of the world, even a failing / debt laden business would be worth much more than that.

Animatsabout 4 hours ago
Oh, a visa scam. Title is misleading.
bamboozledabout 4 hours ago
This new business visa thing in Japan is just so so stupid. As if people with money can't wrangle up 300k to get the business visa and then just do nefarious things like this, all the while locking out potentially millions of hard working entrepreneurial types from all over the world who would actually make good citizens, and good honest money.
socalgal225 minutes ago
Can you elaborate?

My understanding:

Before: Need $50k in bank, register business, sponsor yourself for a visa

Result - lots of people just abusing the system for a visa

After: Need $300k, must hire at least one local, must show a profit of $200k within 2 years. Must be reviewed by the government multiple times a year to show your business is serious

I can see some issues. If you want to start a company that requires a year or more of R&D before you can ship you're S.O.L.

rjzzleep44 minutes ago
Sounds logical, but can you elaborate more on what is happening?
keiferski41 minutes ago
Essentially the amount of capital needed to get a business visa went up dramatically. It used to be about 30k USD and now it’s almost 200k. Plus other more onerous requirements:

https://www.bakermckenzie.com/en/insight/publications/2026/0...

The result seems to be that a lot of smaller restaurants and other foreign-owned businesses can’t really function and will close.