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comrade1234about 2 hours ago
After seeing headlines about the ufc fight on the White House lawn and seeing headlines about how Japanese World Cup fans clean up trash after the match I had an image of programmers doing lawn care at the White House...
4ggr0about 2 hours ago
i 100% thought this article was going to be about cleaning up the idiocracy festival from the past weekend. didn't even question the fact that people from anthropic would be there to help, seemed like a fitting asskiss.
flohofwoeabout 2 hours ago
That was seriously what I thought the headline is about. Anthropic flying in their employees to clean up the trash after Trumps birthday party for free to demonstrate their obedience with a good show of licking the Dear Leader's boots.

Extremely silly of course, but entirely in line with all the other news currently coming out of the US ;)

ben4nextabout 1 hour ago
Funny how you have issue with this lawn party but no issue with Bidens distasteful Pride party.

Src: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65898998

arwineapabout 1 hour ago
Are you upset that the Whitehouse invited citizens to the lawn, or are you upset that they banned someone who was behaving distastefully?
795223 minutes ago
Being angry about one thing does not mean someone is ok with another.

And the context is quite different. The complaint about Trump relates more to what he is doing. Your complaint about Biden relates to something a party invitee did.

I guess a similarity is an element of virtue signalling. But if that is something you have a problem with then you must really hate Donald Trump because that seems to be his entire presidency. And the fight against homophobia is a legitimately virtuous activity. Right and wrong do exist.

tokaiabout 1 hour ago
Funny how you are okay with pedophilia.
Atreidenabout 1 hour ago
Ignoring the whataboutism here, what about it was distasteful?

Please see HN rule #1, this is not the community for that kind of discourse.

bushidoabout 1 hour ago
Anecdotally, I think this is a much bigger cleanup than just talking to the administration.

I think there's a wider damage done which there is no coming back from. And this is for the USA, not Anthropic.

The chance that sovereignty and rules such as this could be applied to AI was a concern that a lot of people had, but the risk was unknown.

Speaking for myself, I had guessed this would happen at some point of time. I was expecting/hoping it'd be years away.

However given the events in the last few days it greatly increases my concern with building any product which can depend on an on an API which could go away for a number of my customers.

I've been experimenting with other open weight models hosted in favorable sovereign countries for a few months, but this accelerates something which was an experiment to now being a must-have.

I don't think it is going to be easy for any of the parties to repair this easily.

general146529 minutes ago
I see it exactly the same, self hosted LLM will be the future. They may not be SOTA, but it is better to have a Trabant in your garage than being denied use of shared Ferrari, because somebody outside of your control had hissy fit.
mustardoabout 3 hours ago
Mighty fine AI you have there, be a shame if something were to happen to it...
eurekinabout 2 hours ago
Also, supposedly biggest MMA event Rogan doesn't want to be on.

Something is up

throw1234567891about 2 hours ago
Rogan is a tool.
kakacik34 minutes ago
Interesting statement with various meanings :)

I just can't get his popularity, he isn't smart, he isn't a great speaker, his opinions on actually important stuff is often... just sad to hear, hyping up a 'bro effect and thats about it. Its like listening to that old buddy from primary school who struggled to get through high school, and now as an adult gathered some interesting opinions about the world, politics and humans that you really are not interested in.

Tons of better folks online, if somebody really has nothing better going in their short lives to listen to blahs for 3 hours, repeatedly. I guess there are worse ways to spend time though

ed_mercerabout 2 hours ago
letmetweakitabout 2 hours ago
Nothing a few million dollars here and there can't fix ...
peraabout 2 hours ago
Kissing the ring also helps - I won't be surprised if Anthropic's next model goes full MAGA
brookst43 minutes ago
Cheaper and less harmful to long-term and international prospects to just make a gold-plated “AI Peace Prize” award and gift it in some ceremony. Couple of hundred thousand dollars, works great. Ask Tim Apple.
khalic44 minutes ago
I don’t know, for all the bad people say about Amodei, everybody seem convinced he’d rather burn his company than let something like that happen
santiagobasultoabout 2 hours ago
> Senior technical Anthropic staff

doesn't seem to be a political meeting, but rather a technical one. Maybe they'll review the jailbreaks and demonstrate that can be replicated in any model out there?

vb-8448about 1 hour ago
I hope no, otherwise also Claude and GPT will be banned XD
weird-eye-issueabout 2 hours ago
How could it not be both?
gregoriolabout 2 hours ago
They should fly staff to EU instead
chasilabout 2 hours ago
As I understand it, ITAR regulations for export controls have just been applied to any form of Mythos.

These are overseen by U.S. Departments of State and Commerce, and forbid foreign nationals from access to any form of Mythos, either within or outside the U.S.

Only U.S. citizens and immigrants that are holders of a "green card" may now access Mythos.

It appears that Anthropic does not have internal controls to implement these restrictions in any form, so the only option was to shut Mythos down.

Penalties for ITAR violation can reach ten years in prison and a million dollars per violation. (I can post a link to those details if there is any interest.)

As long as Anthropic is a U.S. company, there is no escaping this.

https://fortune.com/2026/06/14/how-a-warning-from-amazon-led...

benjiro29about 1 hour ago
> Only U.S. citizens and immigrants that are holders of a "green card" may now access Mythos.

It was my understanding that not even green card holders may access Mythos. Normally when restrictions like this are put in place, you need a exemption as a green card holder. A geen card is just a permit to live and work in the US. Its not the same as citizenship.

> Security Clearance: Green Card holders are generally prohibited from jobs that require high-level security clearances or sensitive government/military roles reserved exclusively for U.S. citizens.

stultabout 1 hour ago
That's not true. ITAR and security clearance are entirely separate regulatory regimes. For ITAR purposes, being a permanent resident is good enough. I used to work for a defense contractor, and we hired plenty of green card holders. They were not in general assigned to work that required a clearance, but plenty of defense-sensitive, ITAR-controlled work is done by green card holders.
felipeeriasabout 1 hour ago
Were those ITAR export controls chosen because they really are the most appropriate tool for this particular case, or because they could be deployed at a very short notice?
chasil42 minutes ago
Mythos was advertised as being able to do massive damage to IT systems over government and the private sector.

How could restriction not be appropriate.

bel8about 2 hours ago
So Anthropic can't even move to Europe now since that would be considered a crime against national security?

Like trying to move a missile industry from USA to EU.

chasilabout 1 hour ago
Individuals can leave, but the company cannot transfer restricted intellectual property.

Europe has extradition treaties, so the U.S. can force anyone in Europe back to the U.S. for criminal indictment who demonstrates inappropriate possession of this technology.

throw1234567891about 2 hours ago
And what would they be doing there?
kordlessagainabout 2 hours ago
...and take their cluster of twelve M1 Max's with them.
root-parentabout 2 hours ago
No need, the EU will just order more AI light bulbs, when everything is sorted: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dUPJuSZF1Is
sofixaabout 2 hours ago
It's not "AI light bulbs", the point is to use smart meters for load shedding and load rearranging. Why wouldn't you want for people and companies to be able to use cheaper electricity in off-peak hours?
OkWing99about 2 hours ago
Wouldn't it be funny if US Gov takes a 10% stake in Anthropic.
DaSHackaabout 1 hour ago
Donald Trump, if you can hear me...
MrBuddyCasinoabout 1 hour ago
Anthropic: "Our new models are so mighty and dangerous, we'll limit access."

US admin: "Thanks for the warning, we'll do the same then"

This was an epic (and deserved) own-goal.

(btw heres what most likely happened, they refused to fix a jailbreak: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171)

DaSHackaabout 1 hour ago
Yep, hard to feel bad when the whole reason they're in this mess is because they tried to introduce FYD about their own product as an argument why open models need to be banned.
khalic41 minutes ago
What a dumb take, life isn’t a meme

This is retaliation by the us gov for not unlocking Claude to use on their weapon. Not good for anybody

Suracabout 2 hours ago
I hope they are good at cage fighting. Thats what Trump is all about
throwaway132448about 2 hours ago
Anthropic wants to do things that they don’t want to write in an email.

How unsurprising.

Amodei has always been and always will be a creep. Unfortunately too many people here don’t want to hear it about their favourite billionaire, just like they didn’t want to hear it about all the other sociopaths that tech has minted in the last 20 years.

petesergeantabout 1 hour ago
> Amodei has always been and always will be a creep

Like at what point do the weird and random Amodei smears start to seem like an orchestrated attempt?

throwaway132448about 1 hour ago
They’re not weird or random when you’ve lived around many people like him before.

Apparently not enough of us have unfortunately, so you keep elevating them when you should know better.

So here I am trying to give you a heads up.

piva00about 1 hour ago
Unfortunately it's not widely distributed information, if you care so much about shedding a light on Amodei's shadiness it would help a lot folks like me to understand what you are talking about.

I know of Sam Altman's shenanigans from way before OpenAI (I used to be on reddit a lot more when `sama` appeared over there) but I have no idea about Amodei.

Help us out because otherwise it really does read as yet another conspiracy theory on the internet.

rafram37 minutes ago
This could mean literally anything.
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