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Insanityabout 3 hours ago
I briefly entertained flying planes as a hobby. I live next to a small-ish local airfield and a coworker of mine got his license there. Then I learned more about it, and there's way to many accidents like these for me to be comfortable with the risk I'd be taking.

I have no issue with flying commercial planes, but I guess I don't trust myself _and_ the smaller planes enough to do this.

RIP Claude, horrible way to die.

bombcarabout 2 hours ago
I had a similar decision to make (pilot or motorbike) and the fact that 60%+ of aviation deaths are pilot error and something like 60%+ of motorcycle crashes are NOT the rider's fault - led me to be a pilot. At least then I can try to make good decisions, e.g, DO NOT FLY INTO WEATHER.
gritspantsabout 1 hour ago
MC rider. Many accidents occur during the early years, particularly as the new rider gets comfortable. There's a transition period where your muscle memory kicks in for basic riding skills, but not developed enough to keep you out of trouble. It is an incredible feeling of false confidence that makes you feel invincible. It's possible to be 'smart' and reduce risk during this period, but I'm not advocating people generally go out and start riding either.
_jssabout 2 hours ago
And a lot of the pilot deaths are not because of in-the-moment skill deficiencies.

Stick and rudder skills aren't that useful with fuel exhaustion and bad weather planning. It's much easier to stay safer in a plane vs motorcycle.

I wish people treated cars and motorcycles properly, especially in the US. Until then, no motorcycles for me either :(

deadbabe32 minutes ago
The stakes get even higher if you fly a plane with your entire family in it. One bad error and you will almost certainly have killed them all.
miketeryabout 3 hours ago
I got my glider license at 16 and private at 17. Majority of accidents are human error. Though yes an accident with a plane is much costlier than one with a car.

I encourage you to read NTSB accident reports. The work the investigators do and the reports they assemble are unparalleled. There are also good parallels to complex systems in general.

gpmabout 2 hours ago
It seems like unjustifiable hubris to assume that I'm significantly less susceptible to human error than the average person that decides to become a pilot.
EvanAnderson25 minutes ago
I think you can take steps to inoculate yourself to some extent.

My father subscribed to a newsletter that summarized NTSB general aviation mishap reports when he got his Private Pilot license back in the late 80s. I read them too and was astonished at how many mishaps were very bad judgement calls made by pilots-- flying when the weather wasn't fit, not checking fuel levels, flying after having experienced engine trouble, etc.

I think it should be required reading for every new pilot.

applfanboysbgonabout 2 hours ago
If you're even thinking about the danger, it's absolutely justifiable to believe you're above the average already. The average person has zero regard for their own safety; governments have to literally force people to wear seatbelts in cars or helmets on motorcycles because they won't do it without threat of financial penalty.
causalabout 2 hours ago
Too many people read "human error" as "human preventable" rather than "a thing you will also do because you are human"
user_78328 minutes ago
Typically, in places like NTSB reports (or GA - private aviation - accidents in general), it often is human preventable. But the thing is different people have very different tolerance limits.

Pilot A might skip flying if the weather looks bad. Pilot B might go "well the storm's actually only at x location on my route, I'll fly around it". Pilot C might insist on more fuel but take the flight.

I'm not pretending it's possible to avoid (all) accidents with enough care - but if you look at NTSB stats, a vast majority of accidents were things that were quite easily avoidable.

Getting an instrument rating, flying in a plane with a weather radar that can go high (pressurized, beyond 40,000 feet or whereabouts), having another spare pilot and spare engine, and following the "big boy" scheduled airline (part 121) protocols and rules and minimums will almost certainly help avoid 50%+ (very conservatively) of GA accidents causes.

Yes, you still need to be careful and not fall victim to things like Get-there-itis (which pushes pilots to fly when they shouldn't because they want to get there). However... it's a swiss cheese model of accident avoidance. Remove as many factors from your side as you can, do your checklists, IMSAFE etc, and you're very likely to be (physically) okay.

Oh, and get a Cirrus with a parachute while we're at it. They've got auto land on their new planes too iirc.

k8sToGoabout 1 hour ago
It is the same reason I decided against getting a motorcycle (I also decided against getting a PPL as well).
seanvkabout 2 hours ago
My Dad, a flight instructor, loves to remind me that there are bold pilots and old pilots. But there are no old bold pilots.
lostloginabout 1 hour ago
Chuck Yeager seemed pretty bold and died at 96.

Yay, one old bold pilot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager

EvanAnderson24 minutes ago
Chuck Yeager was a very skilled pilot with inhumanly good vision and ridiculously good luck. He's also a good demonstration of survivorship bias.
cf100clunkabout 4 hours ago
BoredPositronabout 3 hours ago
Bad two weeks for aviation.
zahlmanabout 3 hours ago
Hmm? What else did I miss?
myvoiceismypassabout 2 hours ago
Oliver Tree is a musician who died in a helicopter crash recently too.
toomuchtodoabout 2 hours ago
Joshua Baer, founder and CEO of Austin's Capital Factory VC firm, killed in plane crash near Laredo, Texas.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

comrade1234about 4 hours ago
Personal aircraft. The great equalizer.
kylecazarabout 4 hours ago
I clicked a news article a few months ago about a crash... Google has since decided I need to know about all future aviation accidents. I was surprised how frequent it happens. Two brothers were killed in a Cessna just the other day.

I suppose it's a combination of lower maintenance standards and pilot experience, definitely doesn't make me want to hop in a small plane anytime soon.

ultrarunnerabout 4 hours ago
Counterintuitively, it's probably the unrealistically high maintenance standards that lead to 1) no available qualified mechanics, and 2) incredibly high prices, resulting in 3) deferring whatever is possible to defer. This is the situation in the US; I imagine costs are doubly impactful in a country like France.
jmward01about 3 hours ago
Aviation is in a huge rut. A major issue is that innovation is nearly dead. Want to bring a new aircraft to market? Got 5-10 years to get it certified while not being able to sell it to a market size of....? How about a new engine? In GA we fly 80yo designs around not because they are great, but because nobody can innovate to bring in the better stuff. I have a lot of hope for electric aviation because a new regulatory space and simpler designs may mean faster certification which could lead to real innovation in the space.
NordSteveabout 3 hours ago
It's certainly possible to maintain GA aircraft to a high standard and not break the bank. For example, a flying club I'm in has Cessna 172s for $116/hr wet with no-compromises maintenance.
pixl97about 3 hours ago
>unrealistically high maintenance standards

Na, no thank you. I prefer planes not falling out of the sky, especially personal aircraft that already have a very high crash rate due to pilot error alone.

>deferring whatever is possible to defer

Yea, I don't think so. I've seen too many important but non life or death maintenance deferred for reasons outside of money that lead to later disaster. People just kind of suck at it unless they are forced.

echoangleabout 3 hours ago
Citation needed. Afaik they mostly crash from pilot error, not technical problems caused by too little maintenance.
mc32about 2 hours ago
THere are parachutes for small aircraft these days. If I were flying one and had their money I would get that installed. Of course that doesn’t protect against crashing into mountainsides or losing ones orientation, but it does help against engine failure at altitude.
master_crababout 4 hours ago
“Doctor killer” for a reason.

It can be monotonous and degrading, but commercial air is the safe way to travel.

altmanaltmanabout 3 hours ago
It was a Cessna 421 so its not really about travel but flying as a hobby most likely.
weaksauceabout 2 hours ago
probably a hobby but a 421 is a high performance dual engine with a pressurized cabin... that's a lot of plane and dual engines are difficult to fly with a lot of technical knowledge and practice to handle an engine out procedure safely. this kind of plane very commonly kills doctors and other high earning individuals that don't have the time to keep their time in the plane to stay recent.

a lot of time people do buy multi engine planes for travel so it's not certain it was just a hobby.

jmartricanabout 2 hours ago
I worked for a small successful company in the pharmaceutical industry. One of their founders died in a crash in his small personal aircraft. He was a really nice guy and very charismatic. I was not working there when the accident happened, but I was sad to hear about it.

I agree with OP's sentiment.

pixl97about 4 hours ago
Seems aircraft have been hard on tech this week.
toomuchtodoabout 3 hours ago
bradorabout 3 hours ago
Why don't planes have parachutes? like a huge parachute that pops on stall to slowly descent the plane?
vereloabout 3 hours ago
Some do. Sr-22 for example.

However, often if you’re handling things well, loosing an engine isn’t the end of the world.

A lot of accidents happen very close to the ground, at height wear a parachute wouldn’t necessarily be helpful anyway.

A parachute, a great solution for some scenarios, but for many, it’s not going to change the outcome. Such examples would be mid collisions, low altitude spiral dives, fires, or anything related to a shortage of oxygen. You also need to consider that during a lot of accidents, other factors, such as weather might be impacting the decision matrix of the pilot, and that might prevent them from using a parachute until it’s too late.

The parachutes are also another maintenance item in increasing the cost of running the plane, and generally, the airframe won’t survive the accident, so people are hesitant to deploy them.

psvvabout 2 hours ago
Funny, I put parachutes on my airplanes in kerbal space program (as a safety feature) but never considered what the real-life analogue to that would be. Turns out it's very similar!
MomsAVoxellabout 1 hour ago
Just so its clear, Kerbal is the analog.
jmward01about 3 hours ago
Some do [1]. But in GA the costs to fly are so high that adding yet another cost means it is impractical for most GA pilots.

[1] https://brsaerospace.com/

lstoddabout 2 hours ago
memento mori
cpncrunchabout 4 hours ago
dangabout 2 hours ago
Thanks, we've changed to that from https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-20/ubisoft-c... above.
SoftTalkerabout 3 hours ago
Paywall there for me, or "allow ads."

Other than the fact that the crash happened, there doesn't seem to be any more detailed news yet, so the headline says pretty much what there is to know at this time.

m0lluskabout 2 hours ago
This sort of thing is one of the reasons Elon became so important at Tesla. The other key players died in a freakish plane crash, apparently hitting transmission lines at low altitude which is not something parachutes would likely have helped with.

https://www.wired.com/2010/02/plane-crash-kills-tesla-employ...

sourcegriftabout 2 hours ago
And he doomed tesla which was earlier soaring to become a trillion dollar company
iwontberudeabout 3 hours ago
So many nerds here in Silicon Valley love to fly small aircraft, it’s an autistic comorbidity. You’ll never catch me acting so foolish.
infectoabout 2 hours ago
I would argue it has a much closer intersection with wealth.
GlacierFoxabout 3 hours ago
"autistic comorbidity"

Wtf haha. Everything's autism nowadays isn't it.

Perhaps it's just an alignment of having the money to buy a small plane and being interested in planes.

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