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Avicebronabout 3 hours ago
Anyone check in on Ezra?
ddxvabout 1 hour ago
"Enough people have asked me about the Peter Thiel-Dialog story that I think it's worth saying what it is, or at least what I saw it to be. So:

–Dialog is a conference. I went once in 2018 and once in 2022. No one ever asked me to keep it or my presence a secret.

–My understanding was Thiel was one of its founders but no longer involved by the time I went. I never saw or talked to him in connection with Dialog.

–Nor did I see the other names I’ve heard mentioned, like Ted Cruz or Elon Musk or Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Jared Kushner. Dialog was not sold to me as a bunch of big names, which is part of why I went. I don’t need to go to a conference to hear what Ted Cruz thinks.

–You could be a Dialog member, but I wasn’t. I don’t think joining got you much except guaranteed invitations to future Dialogs. There were occasional dinners and webinars, but I never went to one. I would not have described it as a secret or a society.

–The panels were largely self-organized, so people would propose panels and hold them. I went to one on being a working parent and another on whether crypto had any real use cases and another on how to accelerate scientific breakthroughs. You’d usually have 8 or 10 people in a room. It was all very TED-talk adjacent.

–In 2018, I found it very optimistic, with an idealistic hacker-ish vibe. In 2022, I found the conversations and vibe more curdled and resentful. I didn’t enjoy it, and I didn’t go back. (That did prove a pretty good signal of where tech’s politics were going though, maybe I should’ve paid more attention.)

....

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first half of his comment about it from X

groanabout 1 hour ago
There always has been. The only people discrediting it are those that don’t want you to know it exists.
joshcsimmons43 minutes ago
I liked my take better. News outlets are hypersensationalizing this and running with it.

https://youtu.be/CSJUnm_rGKo

nstentsabout 1 hour ago
It would be irresponsible in the extreme for the wealthy and powerful to not unite in common cause for extending sway into the future even while still competing with each other in the present. It's what social units from families to small businesses to trans-national businesses to countries do all the time. This is just another example, and since the tendency of co-operative behavior even among competing interests extends into the distant past of life's evolutionary history it's unlikely we'll see it go away.
angelobattagliaabout 1 hour ago
This sounds a lot like the Deus Ex (2000) plot.
DivingForGoldabout 1 hour ago
Title sensationalism
johneaabout 3 hours ago
Ha Ha! That's funny 8-)

> "Turn's Out..."

There's been a psycho cabal of the idiot wealthy trying to run the world since the invention of currency...

Before that, there was a murderous cabal of warlords. They haven't gone away, they've just been joined by the idiot wealthy...

halfcat42 minutes ago
The most surreal part of this from the Wired article [1]:

> The records sit in Airtable

A secret cabal running the world. On AirTable.

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/leak-exposes-members-of-peter-th...

SecretDreamsabout 2 hours ago
I think it hurts more knowing that it's in the public, but nothing will be done and they'll continue to smother the general public all the same.
SpicyLemonZestabout 3 hours ago
I guess Esquire didn't read far enough into the Wired article to discover that this is a tech industry version of similar gatherings like Bilderberg or various WEF side events that have long been known to exist. They're not generally called "cabals" (you'll note Wired did not use this term) because, as far as we know, they don't seem to be much more than glorified social clubs.
throwaway81523about 3 hours ago
Yeah I probably should have linked the Wired article instead if it hasn't already been here. I spotted it a couple days ago but didn't get around to reading it.
directevolveabout 2 hours ago
Author is primarily a sports blogger and political pundit. Esquire’s lead political blogger since 2011.

Charles P Pierce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Pierce

CPLXabout 2 hours ago
Bilderberg, the World Economic Forum, and Bohemian Grove are also cabals of elite crazies trying to run the world.
Animatsabout 2 hours ago
Plus the Carlyle Group, Temple Emanu-El in NYC, the Rothchilds...

If any of them are running the world, we're not seeing the results. The current level of competence at world-running is very low. Putin, Trump, Netanyahu, Xi, and whomever is running the UK this month are all worse than average for their job.

Joker_vDabout 2 hours ago
> The current level of competence at world-running is very low.

Yes? If by "running competently" you mean the prosperity of the general population and peace, sure, it's not that competent. But why'd you think that'd be their goal? If anything, Orwell's "1984" shows the mindset perfectly: keep the general public in misery, while skimming whatever cream there is; no need to try and grow the pie, there is enough for them, and the rest of the world can go buck itself.

GolfPopperabout 1 hour ago
If they are "running the world" they are certainly not doing so for your benefit.

(There is also a great deal of distance between "running the world" and "influencing some events for the benefit of a select few, no matter what the costs to the rest of the world". Personally, I find the latter far more likely, but also undesireable.)

anonymarsabout 2 hours ago
I don't follow the logic - because incompetent people are running the show, some other group of incompetent people can't be running the show?
missedthecueabout 1 hour ago
The carlyle group is a publicly traded company that mainly invests pension funds.
alistairSHabout 1 hour ago
All the rich guys who aligned themselves with MAGA/Trump are even richer now, so I’d say they’re quite successful. Their goal isn’t creating a stable, pleasant world. It’s solidifying their power, largely through acquisition of obscene wealth.
CPLXabout 1 hour ago
We are seeing results. The rich have it better than ever. That's the results.
lazideabout 2 hours ago
Isn’t the point to be in charge regardless of competence or popularity? That is real power.

Those things are far more necessary for an Employee than an Owner.

Avicebronabout 2 hours ago
I think the incompetence is the point. I imagine what "running the world" really looks like is making bank off international loans and reconsutruction projects after one useful idiot bombs the country of another.
cryo32about 1 hour ago
Yes. To be clear they think they are running the world because all the ass kissers around them told them they are.

Reality is a lot less forgiving of their delusions.

felooboolooombaabout 2 hours ago
This is not a conspiracy theory. It's actual documented evidence. The Epstein files also shed light on this, Bannon traveling around Europe to fortify alt-right alliance and seed unrest.
pfannkuchenabout 2 hours ago
Was he trying to seed unrest or was he sabotaging organic right wing movements that have less dumb shit in their program?

EDIT: Keep in mind that the right wing movements on which you have trained your impressions are almost always by definition the popular ones. Do people typically dig into niche groups that don't get traction for ideologies they already disagree with? Probably not, right?

kgwxdabout 1 hour ago
The less dumb shit gave him a platform for his dumber shit. Which is why sane people try to stop the right wing shit at the less-dumb-shit level, before it gets out of hand. It's the clearly marked path to hell on earth. An inch in that direction is the WRONG WAY.
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jcgrilloabout 2 hours ago
I feel like based on the amount of power these people wield in the world I should be afraid of them, but then I read this:

> registrants returned again and again to the same theme: that AI will reorder work, war, education, and belief within a few years.

lmao. nvm. they're idiots.

cryo32about 1 hour ago
It’s basically just a large circular hand job of people who have been told they are visionaries by sycophants.
tty456about 2 hours ago
> registrants returned again and again to the same theme: that AI will reorder work, war, education, and belief within a few years.

These things are already happening, whether we want them to or not. Elites will no doubt benefit from the destruction of all of it.

j3th9nabout 2 hours ago
No shit, Sherlock.
fuzzfactorabout 3 hours ago
I guess if it comes full circle the trend among conspiracy theorists will have them touting how there's no possible way there can be a "cabal" of any kind.
bobbytheblkbearabout 2 hours ago
I don't buy this personally. The leaks of Peter Thiel's 'Dialog' society demonstrate to me that the bell curve™ (or normal distribution as cool cats refer to it) exists at every level of wealth and society. (Look up the banality of the topics if you're curious as to what I mean here) What this means to me personally is that there is a certain level of baked-in/read-only reaction to being in certain types of social circles, and those circles tend to act according to Nature™ and try to preserve themselves while spreading. Practically the upshot here is that what we interpret as a "cabal" is actually the self-preservation of a system that is not publicly available for observation. Moreover, in many cases, the only means of admission to this class is purely by luck/chance/birth into a certain family group. In many ways these systems are counter-intuitive; wealth is typically used as a means to have a "nice life", while forcing the rest of the world into a state of decay, which ruins of the value of the wealth. As one group continues to grow in their ability to extract resources, they also place pressure upon their own relationship between themselves and those extracting the resources for them as the pyramid scheme breaks down with less people to pull into it over time. (Chasing infinite gains in terms of corporate stock or private gains from equity investments IS a pyramid scheme, however legal it may be.) Thus, what's interpreted as a "dangerous cabal" is more like the relationship between animal groups, and new elements in the natural hierarchy have displaced resources between the groups, which will cause a correction to slowly occur in terms of the overall patterns. Ideally, these groups would recognize the signalling occurring and attempt to bring things back into a natural stasis pattern. (i.e. many people are complaining about wealth/billionaires, it may be strategic to invest in bettering society and creating homogeneity so that things remain as an enjoyable Epcot™-esque collective as opposed to a globally-connected & self-hating/billionaire-hating slave class)
blurbleblurbleabout 2 hours ago
You're getting hung up on the idea of a "cabal" being some kind of formal thing that has explicit membership rules. But what we're talking about is simply the collusion of hyper-wealthy people in their various schemes. That's the cabal.
bobbytheblkbearabout 2 hours ago
The concept of wealth is predicated upon the idea that one may "play at the table in the Casino and win". In reality entry to this system is barred but it only exists in such a way because people believe in the promise/concept that they will be allowed to succeed if they continue to try.

What you're defining as a "Cabal of Wealth" is an allowance by the people because they believe in the concept of joining it. If this isn't clear I'm happy to expand upon it.

asmodeusluciferabout 1 hour ago
I don't know if this is true any more, but esquire used to have an extremely good journalistic reputation. If someone said the the sun rose in the east, they would verify the sun rose in the east before printing it.
asmodeusluciferabout 1 hour ago
I have attracted the downvote bot, it seems.
asmodeuslucifer30 minutes ago
again