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Overfitted a 900KB Transformer to Compress a 100MB CSV into 7MB

sspidy__ 3 days ago 43 comments

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I built an experiment that uses an overfitted transformer and arithmetic coding to compress individual files.

Instead of training the model to generalize, I train a 900KB transformer to memorize a single file and predict the next byte. Those predictions are fed into an arithmetic coder to produce the compressed output.

On a 100MB NYC taxi CSV, it compresses to about 7MB (~0.5 bits/byte). On a 100MB slice of enwik9, it compresses to about 21MB (~1.68 bits/byte).

It's pretty slow right now (roughly 20–30 minutes of training and 45 minutes each for compression and decompression on my AMD 7800XT).

Checkout the repo - https://github.com/samyak112/pym-particles

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userbinatorabout 3 hours ago
Fabrice Bellard may have been the first to do this, 7 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27244004
spidy__about 1 hour ago
Yeah yeah, I just found the idea kinda interesting so wanted to implement it
whacked_newabout 1 hour ago
Somewhat related is stavros's method to compress 500KB to something like 50 bytes https://www.stavros.io/posts/compressing-images-with-stable-...

main drawback is that it's not lossless ;-)

but this is great. I hope this actually becomes a format that wraps the weights and transformer module (maybe this can also be NAS-optimized too?). Maybe it would even work for video?

It's like calling gzip but instead of compression level you choose kolmogorov complexity level

isoprophlex15 minutes ago
> There are some minor kinks that need to be worked out, such as the fact that each image takes around a day to generate on mobile, but this is more than acceptable in certain domains. Website visitors, for example, are well-accustomed to such loading times, and would barely notice any difference.

Just amazing, wow

SubiculumCodeabout 3 hours ago
What do those compress to with conventional approaches? For comparison.

I am curious. A classic machine learning ensemble approach is to overfit a collection of small models then bag them (e.g. voting) allowing the models to generalize.

I'm sure someone's tried to overfit a bunch of transformers for compression like this, then bag them to see how well it does?

gwernabout 2 hours ago
Ensembling is not compute or parameter-efficient, so compression per se is a terrible application. (This is related to why people train ever larger LLMs like 1 10t-parameter LLM, rather than 100 GPT-3-scale LLMs.)
73737373733 days ago
What does it compress the full 1GB file to? http://prize.hutter1.net/
spidy__3 days ago
I tried it on a enwik9 100 mb slice and was able to compress it to 20 mb + 900kb transformer so 21mb.

I know the top submission was able to get it to 13 mb.

Still trying some ideas to get better compression.

gravypodabout 3 hours ago
Since you know the size of the file beforehand you may be able to overfit some kind of text diffusion model instead of a transformer? May allow you to partially correct the model output using some other method and then fill in the blanks that were wrong from previous generations.
spidy__18 minutes ago
Oh, sounds interesting. I hadn't considered using a diffusion model for this. My current approach generates the document byte by byte with an autoregressive transformer, so I'm curious how a diffusion model would improve memorization or reconstruction quality.

Can you point me to something that i can read? I really wanna try this approach , diffusion model does sounds interesting for compression.

purple-leafyabout 9 hours ago
Thanks for the link!
cellularabout 3 hours ago
Maybe everyone should compress the 1st 100MB worth of digits of pi, for an apples-to-apples comparison?

Edit: oh wait that's too easy. Need to generate /publish random digits so everyone can use it.

branc116about 1 hour ago
Compressor: Output an empty file.

Decompressor: Take any old algorithm for finding digets of pi, find first 100M of them, print them.

Compression ratio of 0! :0

saulpwabout 3 hours ago
random digits aren't compressible though?
SV_BubbleTimeabout 3 hours ago
Random digits are compressible though.

Random data does not mean it does not match a pattern in your dictionary for example.

jmspringabout 2 hours ago
The model is the important part, a huffman code or adaptive huffman or other sorts of encoders would be much better on a dataset based on the model. You need the model to also decode. And on a dataset of sufficient size, embedding the model and the benefit of it's memorization of the file can be offset.

A non-general compression algorithm (model - I don't mean a distinct llm, but "modeling data") targeted at a specific dataset will always do better than a general algorithm.

The reason I mentioned the "encoder" doesn't matter - arithmetic coding, for the data it is presented, will beat huffman/adaptive huffman every day, but it's the model that is where the real "compression" comes into play.

I've implemented enough "coders" over the years, including arithmetic for both commercial and research purposes (was a student of Glen Langdon).

wildstrawberryabout 2 hours ago
Three questions:

1. How much was AI used to generate documentation for this project?

2. The 100MB CSV data sources are not provided in the repo so it doesn't seem possible to reproduce your results. The enwik9 dataset says it is a "slice" of the larger data set, and there are many NYC taxi trip record datasets that exist. Can you provide the datasets used to generate your results?

3. I am surprised to see performance comparisons only between your transformer and WinZIP. What were your results when comparing your transformer to more modern approaches like LZMA2 (level 9), BZIP2 and ZPAQ (max effort)?

spidy__23 minutes ago
1. I wrote the content as what i want to mention in the documentation and just used AI to polish it so that its easy to understand, is it hard to understand the documentation right now?

2. Have added the link for downloading both the enwik9 slice and the nyc dataset. Apologies I forgot to add it.

You can get it from here - https://github.com/samyak112/pym-particles/blob/main/README....

3. Other than zip i tested it with zstd19, and now that you mentioned LZMA2 and BZIP2

I got results on enwik9 100mb slice as

zstd - 28mb bzip2 - 30mb lzma2 - 26mb

I will mention these and results from ZPAQ in the readme for both files, thanks for pointing them out!!!

But the thing is this neural compression approach cant be used right now, as it takes hours to compress and de compress a 100mb file so not really usable and more of a fun project.

purple-leafyabout 2 hours ago
Dumb question: can you train a model to predict the next byte of ANOTHER MODEL

So apply this same logic to compressing a bigger model within a smaller model

I know this is absolutely regarded, but humour me please

anygabout 1 hour ago
Not dumb at all. It's a whole field of active research - Speculative Decoding. A recent paper goes one level deeper with Speculative Speculative Decoding - https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.03251
purple-leafyabout 1 hour ago
Oh man awesome! I’m so S-M-R-T

Compression is such an interesting field

userbinator37 minutes ago
If there's any redundancy in the model that can be compressed (parallel to how RLE is used to compress the static Huffman tree in FLATE) that's possible, but it's not necessary if the model is being trained on the input dynamically, like what Bellard's NNCP does.
jxmorris12about 2 hours ago
Lo and behold, a nice arithmetic coding implementation that wasn't written by an LLM! A sight for sore eyes – a treat, even. Looks like it was written by someone else though.

Check it out: https://github.com/samyak112/pym-particles/blob/main/arithme...

spidy__16 minutes ago
Ohh yeah , I took it from Project Nayuki as mentioned in the file as well, i tried to pip install it but there were some issues so just took the file and kept the copy right as it is.

Its not an issue is it? I am not sure.

rtpgabout 2 hours ago
I've had this idea of building a codec that would similarly overfit to specific images. But the codec itself would not be a fixed size transformer... instead you could just mess around with the sizing to get better quality/smaller size.

So the codec would be something like: <header describing image size + transformer layer shape> <transformer data itself>

I've seen experiments where people have a "fixed" pipeline but I think having something more dynamic would work quite well.

dvt19 minutes ago
Likely doable with metaparameter tuning (used to work on a team with data scientists that were routinely doing this in various situations). Seems like a cool idea.
test1072about 1 hour ago
So has anyone tried to you know for example keep constant weights base model and just transmit the data, might be better compression
spidy__41 minutes ago
I might be confused by the question, but I overfit the model on a single file and then transport the model along with the arithmetic coding file. There have been ideas where you generalize a model (constant weights) and then pass the arithmetic coding file along with it. So that way you only pass the arithmetic coding file.

BUT my model size is just 900KB (for 100mb file atleast) so it is negligible

totetsuabout 1 hour ago
if first bit is 1 then decompress to a picture of my cat, else its just Huffman
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tae00861 day ago
Neat approach. Since the 900KB model ships with the compressed file, is there a file size below which the model overhead just eats the gains? Curious where the crossover is.
spidy__about 22 hours ago
For the model overhead to become significant enough to eat into the gains, the file size would need to be fairly small, right? I assumed nobody would use this for compressing anything below 100 MB.

I tested with 100 MB files because anything larger takes a long time to evaluate. The actual target was at least 1 GB, and in that case I would use a 100 MB model (Shannon entropy rules).

I also tried it on a 100 MB Photoshop file and was able to compress it down to 45 MB, whereas ZIP could only get it down to 60 MB. So yeah still not losing gains.

purple-leafy2 days ago
That’s so awesome! I want to try something similar. I’ve been going crazy with compression work. I reckon I can beat that prize link
spidy__about 22 hours ago
Reallly?? So have you published something so far? Can i read something? Sounds like you got some interesting ideas.
purple-leafyabout 12 hours ago
I will be showcasing something on hackernews soon! Basically I found a way to “compress” a multiplayer game state from ~100KB+ to ~1KB

But it’s only for the game I’m building and it’s not pure compression work, I had to do some tricky things

purple-leafyabout 9 hours ago
And just for comparison, my absolute best compression method managed to get down to 10s of KB, but the real unlock got to the ~1KB figures. Note these numbers are ALL post-compression numbers. This is not raw data vs compressed data. The ~100KB figure IS POST COMPRESSION.

For context these numbers are for a grid based game where players can perform 4 actions per second, and the numbers I’m sharing are for 30 minutes of gameplay with anywhere from 2-1024+ players (human players) playing simultaneously

So if you do the math, my compression feat is effectively ~99% compression on naive best case. And if you compare it to the raw data, it’s closing in on an even higher number than that I haven’t done the math but the raw data is another factor of 10 greater than ~100KB so the “compression” versus raw data is ~99.9%

It sounds absolutely bullshit I know :D

But I will be posting a blog post soon once I release the game.

I do compression in quotes because it’s not a pure compression feat, the 99%+ feat is effectively being clever about what actually requires compression to achieve the same outcome

IncreasePostsabout 2 hours ago
Isnt this what auto encoders are for?