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thomasmartonabout 1 hour ago
Piracy is justified especially when it comes to movies!

If I am buying a DVD, I own that copy regardless of the studio and the distributor being in legal trouble or not. If I "buy" or "purchase" something online, I expect the same thing.

I'm not always a fan of the EU over-regulating some things but I feel like they should start fining companies who want to re-define the meaning of the word purchase

gherkinnn14 minutes ago
> If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing

https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/08/playstationed/#tyler-jame...

nerdsniperabout 1 hour ago
Jellyfin + Jellyseer + PassThePopcorn has served me and my friends/family well. I pay $50/mo now for a seedbox with 16TB but it serves 20 people. I would self-host for $0/month but my current apartment only has Xfinity, not AT&T and the upload isn’t enough to self-host.

It’s less about the money and more about:

1) Having a single place to go for any TV show or movie. I found it very frustrating trying to figure out what service had which show - sometimes none of them have it (a few things are still not streamable at all - e.g. “Sharky and George”)

2) Knowing that my streaming service isn’t downgrading the video quality. Even my lay friends notice the picture quality improvement vs Amazon / Hulu etc.

3) Jellyseer lets my friends request media that gets auto-downloaded. So it’s a curated list of content which helps me discover high quality stuff to watch.

Retr0id17 minutes ago
However, you will stop owning that copy the moment the DVD deteriorates to the point of becoming unreadable. Physical media is a good start, but DRM-stripped digital is the ideal.
throwaw124 minutes ago
> DVD deteriorates to the point of becoming unreadable

If I am the reason for damaging my purchase then I am fine with that characteristic of the purchase.

Same happens with books, you buy the copy and if you don't take care of it, soon it will become unreadable.

Eric_WVGGabout 1 hour ago
punishing customers for not using BitTorrent seems like a weird strategy but I’m not an MBA so what do I know
plagiarist28 minutes ago
The amount of people who are willing to tolerate the "cable-ization" of streaming services is far larger than those who will torrent
patmccabout 1 hour ago
They should absolutely be forced to provide either a refund or a downloadable copy, this is absurd. It sounds like they didn't actually have the license necessary to be able to sell these movies in any reasonable way.
dc3kabout 2 hours ago
it should not be legal for the product page to say “purchase” or “buy” when in reality you’re only renting it with a to be determined end date
dathinababout 2 hours ago
and this should include musics and similar in games (excluding stuff like sessional content)

if you sell a game you should have to have bought a license to use the music (and similar) in the game permanently (for given game sold, new sold revision can change what they contain but only if there isn't deceptive advertisement and it's very clearly labeled that it's a different revision/the content changed!).

b112about 2 hours ago
Yes, 100%, and that end date should be very clearly listed too.
LoganDarkabout 1 hour ago
Renting what? The non-exclusive, revocable license? Because that's what purchase or buy means.
skywhopper24 minutes ago
No, that’s not what “purchase” or “buy” means.
mistyvalesabout 1 hour ago
Pretty sure the Terms of Use say just that. They should update the language on the frontend though.
AdmiralAsshat22 minutes ago
How is it that Steam manages to avoid yanking games from people's libraries even after the games are delisted for licensing issues, etc? I have multiple games that you can't "buy" anymore, but Steam doesn't stop me from reinstalling them as often as I like.

Are they negotiating that as part of the deal with their vendors? Or is it as simple as "We're not dicks." ?

vitally36434 minutes ago
That's just how Valve's license agreement works. You publish with Steam and you grant Valve the right to publish the work in perpetuity.

The licensing deal made by movie studios does not work like that because the studios are intentionally predatory. The distribution agreements are temporary and can involve periodic payments. Literally Netflix rents movies from the studios and rents them back to you. The studios reserve the right to cancel distribution deals at any time.

tracerbulletx12 minutes ago
Would love to know how hidden the fine text was on that buy button. Unless it said rent this should be illegal.
socalgal238 minutes ago
Sony sucks and I will never give them another dime. Had a PS5 with a 120+ games (majority PS4), also PSVR2, got f-ed over by Sony when they would not refund in incorrect game purchase I'd bought literally minutes before asking for the refund. Gave up my PS5, I will never purchase anything from Sony ever again. Recommend everyone else do the same.
PacificSpecificabout 1 hour ago
A decade ago they pulled my purchased copy of mortal kombat 2. Not the first time they've done stuff like this.

I stuck to buying hard copies and dwindled off the series as they started to charge just to play multiplayer.

Karlissabout 1 hour ago
Again? They already tried to pull that one a few years ago.

[1] https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Sony%27s_attempted_removal_of_...

Machaabout 1 hour ago
They did get away with it in 2024:

https://filmstories.co.uk/news/funimation-streaming-app-to-s...

(For those without the background: In 2020, Sony bought Crunchyroll and in 2024 merged it with Funimation (acquired by Sony subsidiary Aniplex in 2017). Since Crunchyroll had the larger streaming service, this was done by moving the Funimation library to Crunchyroll. However, Funimation also has a business selling digital copies, not just streaming access, which was discontinued including access to purchased media)

functionmouseabout 1 hour ago
they can do it as many times as they want until it works, then that's precedent
alpinemanabout 1 hour ago
No refunds. Sounds like Playstation customer support. The most customer-unfriendly policies a company could think of.
whycomeabout 1 hour ago
Fix the headline to say Sony
rachel-ftw20 minutes ago
This is making me mad enough that I’m going to spend my weekend figuring out a media server and pirating movies.

If buying isn’t owning, pirating isn’t stealing. Fuck those guys.

It’s been 20 years since I’ve pirated shit, but here we are again…

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jmclnxabout 2 hours ago
Off to small claims court people should go. Amazon tried something similar and got in trouble because people when after them.

And people wonder why some people sail the high seas.

cebert35 minutes ago
I believe you’d lose in small claims court as all of the streaming companies make it clear you’re purchasing a revokable license.
pinkmuffinere29 minutes ago
Wow, "purchasing a revokable license" is an insane concept. Purchase of something revokable in general feels like... not purchasing? If there was a definite time bound that's one thing, but imagine if I sell a revokable license and then revoke it a week later -- it seems like that would be allowed?

I don't mean to disagree with you, and I have basically no expertise in this area, just shocked by the whole thing.

darreninthenet27 minutes ago
Would likely win in the UK as we have an unfair terms regulation, a small claims court could easily rule it an unfair as any reasonable consumer would assume they were purchasing the movie to watch whenever they want to.
skywhopper23 minutes ago
No, that is not what the plain meaning of “purchase” is.
mannanj28 minutes ago
How soon until the digital distributions are owned by just a few cartels, and later when it’s suitable for them, they also modify digital movies to suit a political agenda without letting you know?
vitally36432 minutes ago
Buddy I hate to tell you, but this already happened several years ago.
ganelonhbabout 1 hour ago
Wow.