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MarkusQ7 minutes ago
It would help if the variables were defined somewhere near their point of use. Economists may have dedicated uses for P & Y as well known (to them) as π, but to the casual reader they are...just letters?
darksaintsabout 3 hours ago
> At one time, the stock market was closed at night and yet market indices often changed dramatically, even without a single share being traded. A hundred years ago, the Dow might close one day at 243 and open the following morning at 227, reflecting bearish overnight news. In that case, it is fairly obvious that the market moves on new information, not trading activity. To the extent that trading activity has any impact on prices, it is due to what the trading reveals about information held by various participants in the market.

Markets open using an auction: before the market opens, a bunch of bidders declare the price/qty they’re willing to buy at, a bunch of sellers declare the price/qty they’re willing to sell at, and at the moment the market opens, a single multi-party transaction happens immediately at the implied market clearing price. That transaction is special: it’s not attributed to any particular buyer or seller in transaction data feeds, and typically has a tick volume 1000x (or more) higher than the median tick volume during trading hours.

It may appear that markets are opening at different levels merely on new information, and new information absolutely affects it, and that market jump may not appear to move like the typical brownish motion of active markets… but that opening price is nonetheless the result of buying and selling.

curtisblaineabout 2 hours ago
Do you mean traders set up buy or sell orders and they get matched when market opens? That's... Just how markets work normally?
atomicnumber3about 1 hour ago
Yes and no. There's a distinct auction that runs and it is a distinct event and has its own rules. Eg 5 mins (idr exactly, it's been 6 years for me) before the opening cross you can no longer cancel auction orders, post-only. At the open, they run an opening match of all the auction orders, THEN normal trading begins.
jansenmacabout 1 hour ago
Math is nothing but tautologies.

“The logic of the world, which is shown in tautologies by the propositions of logic, is shown in equations by mathematics.” Wittgenstein in Tractatus Logico Philosphicus (6.22)

Redster3 days ago
Tautologies are beautiful and helpful because they help people and are full of beauty.
jschveibinzabout 1 hour ago
Thank you
oliculipoliculaabout 14 hours ago
Trying to reword your joke to one more aligned with TFA's:

  Tautologies are B&H because they confound intuition (H) AND are truthful (B)
NGL, I made use of following tautology

Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44477/ode-on-a-grecia...

Author in comments: Fair point. I suppose I decided to use the term tautology for the same reason I embrace "[liberalism=]neoliberalism", to defend a term that is often unfairly maligned.

u1hcw9nxabout 3 hours ago
Tautologies are useful to detect errors in reasoning, but not necessarily in actual policy.

The problem with tautologies is that usually the context where they are useful is very small.

As an example, lets use Equation of Exchange and Cambridge Equation. Defining "Money" (M in the equation) has become nearly impossible when there are so many liquid assets and instruments that act money like. Central banks can't reliably measure or control a single "quantity of money" in a way that reliably links to GDP. And because it's not causal model, just an equation, it does not explain anything interesting. All interesting questions are causal.

hahahaaabout 2 hours ago
If a stock tanks is it sellers with info selling to market makers? So a sell off.
zipy124about 3 hours ago
Honestly I think any economic minister, such as the chancellor in the UK should be required to read this. It's amazing in a time when they champion growth, without understanding these relationships.
nstentsabout 3 hours ago
I love a good tautology like Clarke's "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic", but sometimes enough is enough!
hahahaaabout 2 hours ago
Sufficiently quits. He is doing too much work in that sentence.