Breaking the Bird Barrier: Scientist Decodes Zebra Finch Language

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bluechair•less than a minute ago

I remember hearing about an interesting paper; it argued that Zebra finch songs were as complex as recursively enumerable languages on the Chomsky hierarchy. I wanted to see if I could find it but came across another paper arguing that their embedded context sensitivity can be explained by simpler rules.

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0908113106

Just the same, these little fellows are some of the cutest on our planet.

Left this comment as another computer science connection.

ileonichwiesz•about 2 hours ago

Very interesting topic, but a strange choice of source. I'd recommend these instead:

Coller foundation press release: https://www.jeremycollerfoundation.org/news-and-insights/pre...

The actual publication in Science: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ads8482

MathMonkeyMan•about 2 hours ago

It does have the title going for it.

technothrasher•about 1 hour ago

The title doesn't match the paper though. People had already decoded the bird calls. What the paper was giving evidence to was that the birds themselves are cognitively decoding the calls.

t-writescode•about 1 hour ago

I’m glad we’re doing this research. It makes me wonder how much time and potential we’ve wasted over the years actively assuming non-human animals were just rote automatons.

It seems like a meaningful amount of science has been spent on systematically dismantling pre-existing prejudice over the last hundreds of years (and thousands in some cases and cultures).

  All humans are human.
  Babies can feel pain.
  Plants feel.
  Animals think.

Just … So much wasted time on what should have always been seen as true.

I get that some cultures already thought some of these things, but many of these were sadly not prevailing.

kiproping•about 2 hours ago

Thank you, I was also looking for a better source and a link to the paper. I thought the paper was this older one https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06394-9 from 2018.

AndrewKemendo•7 minutes ago

Another win for machine learning:

>She then applied machine learning to analyse how information was encoded in the calls before testing her findings through behavioural experiments.

Breaking the Bird Barrier: Scientist Decodes Zebra Finch Language

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