Where are YC founders now? OpenAI and Anthropic, mostly

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scottydelta•about 1 hour ago

Based on YC's directory, there are approximately 13,000 YC founders since YC started.

105/13000 is a very small number to focus on. This data doesn't really mean anything.

interstice•4 minutes ago

I wonder what the income distribution is like

Closi•about 2 hours ago

This analysis doesn't actually prove the title, as it only considers founders that have gone to OpenAI or Anthropic, however even if it did it isn't particularly suprising.

Sam Altman was the president of YC, so it's not particularly suprising that he has hired lots of talent from YC - these are people that are pre-qualified because he has seen their work before outside of a job interview (better the devil you know than the devil you don't).

This happens everywhere - person leaves company A to company B and then poaches the best talent from company A. Obviously in this case the talent are founders rather than staff members, but still.

kubb•about 2 hours ago

Effectively, industry roles are a tiered system which determines access to the cashflow. Going the YC founder route is a much faster and more efficient way to secure a high tier than climbing the SWE ladder. The whole thing resembles a kind of mini class system, with high tiers granting access to generational wealth, and low tiers being better off than the average non-industry Joe. Once you're in the high tier, there's no way to fall anymore, you just move wherever the cash is being pumped in, collecting it.

fra•about 2 hours ago

I’ve seen many people climb the SWE ladder or build a YC company (having done both myself), and trust me the founder route is not the most efficient. You only believe this because you didn’t see the 2 failed startups and 10 year journey grinding 80h weeks almost running out of cash a few times.

Jensen Huang himself says nobody in their right mind should start a company https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/05/11/jensen-huang-i-didnt-kno...

RetroTechie•4 minutes ago

What part of "start a company" requires "grinding 80h weeks"?

Sounds to me as inability to delegate. Or implicit in the [acquire VC, aim for high growth] mindset as if that were the only path to success.

Companies can grow organically. With a positive cash-flow early on & reasonable work/life balance for founders & employees alike. Heck, there's even non-profits.

matsemann•20 minutes ago

> Jensen Huang himself says

Not that I disagree, but it doesn't refute the original argument. It could even support it, class protecting their own from more people figuring out there's no clothes on the emperor.

gloryjulio•about 1 hour ago

This. I saw way more people build a few millions of retirement nest egg reliably in 10-20 years, by working on a boring good swe job and manage their investment a bit better. It's a much safer route.

threatofrain•about 1 hour ago

Nobody in their right mind should start a company up to some equilibrium. As a society we should fund the appetite of experimental founders to put more pressure on quality than what natural conditions might allow.

tonyhart7•about 1 hour ago

survivorship bias

ElProlactin•39 minutes ago

> Going the YC founder route is a much faster and more efficient way to secure a high tier than climbing the SWE ladder.

YC has funded over 5,000 companies. If you assume 2-3 co-founders per company, that's more than 10,000 to 15,000 people. The vast majority of these founders aren't producing "generational wealth" outcomes. There's no glamorization of the companies that shut down, the ones that are scraping by, and the ones that get their founders a normal job, but those are the far more likely outcomes, especially in the more recent spray-and-pray batches.

timr•about 2 hours ago

This is a very hot take. Being a founder might confer you some career advantage [1] if you're one of the few to make it to series A and you grow a large team, but if you're like the vast majority of founders and never make it past seed (or realistically, to seed), your network is the alpha and omega of any subsequent job search. It's a bit like saying that being an NBA starter is a good way to get a job as a basketball coach.

Point being: don't start a startup if your goal is to get a job. Just get a job.

[1] Note that I'm not arguing about experience -- you can gain a lot of experience as a startup founder, but that experience is rarely directly marketable. Also, most startup founders are completely clueless when they start, so "a lot of experience" is a relative term.

reticulates•about 2 hours ago

YC has tens of thousands of founders, more are probably at Google and Facebook than Anthropic and OpenAI. I’m not sure a sample of 105 founders shows… anything?

maelito•about 2 hours ago

I hope some people remain to build the services that we still use more every day than LLMs.

Edit : and money. I guess most founders follow the money here.

dude250711•about 2 hours ago

Based on typical announcements, they only get acquired to serve their customers even better. The selfless unsung heroes of our time...

throwaw12•about 2 hours ago

I wonder what they do, are they joining as engineers or leadership? because Anthropic has Member of Technical Staff role only.

Would be curious what some of the VP+ people are building inside Anthropic if they joined as engineers

hsaliak•17 minutes ago

This graph biases outcomes (A| O) it would be interessting to have an others.. so we can view the whole picture

koolba•about 2 hours ago

The site infers that 105 people are working at the two companies. What’s the denominator though?

After 20 or so years of YC, with multiple catches per year, and the insanely high failure rate of start ups, there must be a lot of former or floundering founders.

muzani•about 1 hour ago

A successful unicorn founder once said a billion dollar company is just made up of a bunch of people who could each have started a $10m company by themselves.

I guess you can extrapolate that and say a trillion dollar company is made of a bunch of people who could have started a billion dollar company.

mynegation•33 minutes ago

“Emmet Shear, Twitch, OpenAI - former”. I would not be surprised if the whole site was made for this punchline.

deadbabe•26 minutes ago

IMO we are in the era of “Final Companies” and the appeal of being a founder these days just isn’t great compared to the entrepreneurial boom of the 2010s and 2000s. The risk to reward ratio has never been worse.

motbus3•about 2 hours ago

they are totally focusing on making those their internal products so they dont need sell ai to customers anymore. that's the future

neuroelectron•about 1 hour ago

They abandoned the dream of democratizing sectors of the market by ignoring regulations to democratizing knowledge by ignoring copyright.

adithyassekhar•about 2 hours ago

The fonts the layouts it all screams claude at me.

I still can’t put a finger on it. I’ve seen real people use these fonts and layouts yet theirs look original.

Whoever finds an explanation for this solves AGI (/s)

applfanboysbgon•about 2 hours ago

The sepia-tinted color scheme and the way LLMs overuse rounded corner tiles to the absolute death is part of it. Really what it comes down to, is that these LLMs have a design vocabulary of like 15 traits. None of the websites they generate have every single trait, but they are composed of some subset of 10 such traits, so it's still overwhelmingly obvious the moment you open the page, even though each one is slightly different. Humans might use 1~5 of those traits, but they'll also be mixed in with a much wider set of traits with more individuality to them.

tao_oat•about 2 hours ago

I tried to list all the traits I could think of:

- Orange/beige-ish colors - Rounded corners - Cards with a thin border - A thicker colored border on the left of cards - Serif font for headings - Monospace fonts for small text - Headings that often have an unnecessary subheading / pre-heading - Little badges, often with a "status indicator" dot on the left - Obviously LLM-generated text / language

I'm sure I'm missing many but the above are dead giveaways!

techpression•about 1 hour ago

That left side border is a plague…

The copy is usually a bit of a giveaway too, ”explore your future path to greatness and experience the defining divider between those who can and those who can’t” or as most humans would write the header ”plans”.

sph•about 2 hours ago

Most AI-generated sites have coopted the Inter font, and usually they go for a dark colour scheme, the rounded tiles, a container representing a macOS-styled terminal with code, and, the thing that annoys me the most, divs that fade is as you scroll.