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There was also a special number to dial that was called Information. When I was about 12, I suddenly thought that’s amazing, you can just call and get information. What I didn’t know at the time was that it only applied to phone numbers.
One day, I called Information and asked them how accurate the time number was and what mechanism was used to deliver it. Incredibly, they connected my preadolescent self to a public relations person at AT&T. That person somehow took me seriously and hooked me up with another party. And that person told me about the cesium atomic clock used to keep track of the time.
Later, I would call Information to find out the acreage occupied by the Los Angeles Zoo, and it was then that they brusquely explained to me that the number was not for general knowledge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_exchange_names#Stand...
411 Directory Assistance in 1978 https://youtu.be/UpsGpZ7wi9k?si=gSKP2K7WGPn-cbBj&t=60https://1194online.com
It reminds me of two things. When I was a child I was given a postage stamp and wrote a letter to "Wallace and Gromit Ltd" and posted it. Remarkably, I got a reply from Aardman Animations with a card signed by Nick Park himself. Someone at Royal Mail obviously understood and looked up the real address of the studio.
Later as a teen I noticed the clock on our oven displayed "24:00" at midnight instead of the more conventional "0:00"[0]. I wrote to the manufacturer (Neff) on a support channel and it actually got forwarded through several departments before I received a reply from an engineer quoting ISO8601 and how it doesn't actually specify that midnight has to be 0:00 (although, sadly, I never received a positive reason for why someone made the oven clock like this).
For those of us who remember such interactions it's even more frustrating when you find there's a dumb robot at the end of the line. Even if it's LLM powered. I actually asked ChatGPT what it would do with the Wallace and Gromit letter and it couldn't find the same solution. We lost a lot with Google-style faceless companies.
As for the time, in the UK we had (have?) "The Talking Clock" which you could get to by dialling 123. This was well enough known in 2001 to be a key part of this scene from The Office: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdBCFV6qa3A&t=146
[0] I just looked this up again and, funnily enough, John Ward showed a similar oven on his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_oLT7lWQ44
Absolutely incredible, but then confused by the next assertion that is made without context:
> New kinds of clocks may soon open up capabilities that previous generations could only dream about.
What is possible by pushing past that incredibly narrow margin of 1s in 13b years? What dreamy capabilities do we get that we don’t enjoy today?
Edit: I’d assumed they were talking about new approaches to making these clocks more accurate, but I wonder if they’re referring to power and form factors? I.E. an atomic clock the size of a grain of rice: https://www.nist.gov/noac/success-story-chip-scale-atomic-cl...
You can measure speed (via special relativity) and altitude (via gravity/general relativity) with atomic clocks [0], so with a more accurate clock, you should be able to calculate your speed/altitude more accurately.
GPS is already pretty good at measuring speed/altitude, but its not always very accurate, and it only works if you can receive the satellite's signal. In theory, a more accurate atomic clock would solve both of these problems (as long as you had an equally-accurate clock at a fixed location to compare to).
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16473776
It can detect gravitational differences of a few cm!
I wonder how tiny is feasible. Would it get to a level of accuracy where you could detect neutrinos? We know they have some (v tiny) mass, so it should in theory be detectable that way?
> Data received at each antenna in the array include arrival times from a local atomic clock, such as a hydrogen maser. At a later time, the data are correlated with data from other antennas that recorded the same radio signal, to produce the resulting image. The resolution achievable using interferometry is proportional to the observing frequency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very-long-baseline_interferome...
The next gen will have an alarm with snooze button.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time
https://www.nist.gov/pml/owm/metric-si/metric-kitchen/metric...
A clock is, at its core, a marriage of two components: a mechanism that oscillates, or ticks with a steady beat, and a device that counts those beats and displays the time
Yeah but more deeply time is a property of the universe that the clock including atomic clocks are tracking. Kant said it is 'schema' i.e. without understanding time we wouldn't even understand causality so it is the purest possible a-priori concept that doesn't rely on sensory input to learn about
This is why I like using my Alphadec system that splits the year into 26 chunks from A-Z <https://github.com/firasd/alphadec> as my working dir; eg. right now the current Alphadec is '2026_P5M7_200286' so my working dir is Documents/work/2026_P. That way there is a folder system automatically imposed on various .js or .py stuff without having to pre-create a taxonomy since 'time is schema'--I can estimate "that ffmpeg project was in Spring so it must be around 2026_F.."
Alphadec is just a timezone free UTC encoding that works down the millisecond so I also use it for snapshots eg
So then when I'm doing multiple revisions I don't have to worry about which revision of 20260806's day it was etc. Unix time in ms would work too but Alphadec is a little bit nicer to me than saying myscript.py.backup.1786086462604.txtAlso, has anyone else ever used their Randomness Beacon? I once used it to settle an argument in a book club over which book to read next. It's basically a very fancy and high tech coin flip.
https://csrc.nist.gov/projects/interoperable-randomness-beac...
All released 2013-2015. Not sure what happened then for there to be suddenly two.
https://www.nist.gov/noac/success-story-chip-scale-atomic-cl...
I'm guessing the watches sold poorly and the chip packages are still large compared to a watch movement, so no new designs.
I can't imagine Breitling sells very many of these, they're huge heavy watches, if you're The Rock they probably look fine on your arm but the average tough guy can't justify owning a watch this expensive and if you're the 5'4" female CEO of a famous company you can afford the Emergency but it looks ridiculous and feels like you're carring a boulder on your wrist.
Like Concord, sometimes we prove something was possible but it turns out it was unavoidably too expensive and annoying for it to make much sense in the market.