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RobotToasterabout 1 hour ago
> Unlike “a number of court systems elsewhere,” the Connecticut Judicial Branch does not use AI to review or decide filings, Spader said.

>in Elliott’s case, prompts were “exposed, in each of those settings, the moment a human being actually looked at what the machine produced,” Spader said.

Well that's a contradiction.

samrusabout 1 hour ago
Not necessarily. They said AI doesnt review or decide. So it sounds to me that while AI might be used in ptocessing paperwork, the whole processing pipeline is reviewed by humans and the final decision is made by humans. So these sort of things will get caught, like this was
baobabKoodaa26 minutes ago
So many weasel words it makes me angry
boesboesabout 1 hour ago
Like all AI users, they lie and cheat. They behave like crackheads looking for their next fix. Nonono im clean. Twitch. Not using aiii at all hahah twitch
tentacleunoabout 4 hours ago
What are the opinions of those here on using AI for court rulings?

To me, it seems truly frightening that a Silicon Valley company could be placed in such a direct position of trust and influence over the legal system. There are examples of AI acting in its own self-interest over the wants of its masters, so I do wonder how it would handle cases against its respective company, or things which would directly impact it. Outside of that, I still worry about its impartiality and its overall correctness.

It makes me feel very uneasy.

spockz33 minutes ago
Expert systems have been in use for quite a while now, at least in the Netherlands, for masters in more clear laws such as tax law. Basically they are used as glorified decision trees because the laws are clear enough.

I am fine with such tooling assisted matters.

I would also be fine with generative AI, with enough tool calls, being used by courts to find commonalities of a certain case in many other cases as a more enhanced search engine with always a judge, lawyer/solicitor, prosecutor, and optional jury, at the helm and being both in control and end responsible.

inigyouabout 3 hours ago
There's no need for additional worry. Big capital already controls most of the justice system.
bestouffabout 3 hours ago
AI has no self-interest, because it has no self. You are mistaken.
xpct40 minutes ago
AI has a frozen in time interest, of whatever bias it was trained with. We see this with politics, where every model has the same views.
ameliusabout 2 hours ago
And the people running the AI companies have no ego.

Right.

bestouffabout 2 hours ago
Indeed these people have an immense ego that I would qualify as abject. But not their AI. It's not sentient yet.
sfn42about 1 hour ago
Exactly. It's not planning and plotting it's just randomly "making decisions" that don't necessarily align with its given goal. It's not nefarious it's just not actual intelligence. It's an illusion that's good enough to be useful, but sadly it's also good enough that people put too much trust in it.
dist-epochabout 2 hours ago
> I do wonder how it would handle cases against its respective company

Imagine thinking that you can sue a strategically important to the US gov trillion dollar company and win.

markdownabout 3 hours ago
> To me, it seems truly frightening that a Silicon Valley company could be placed in such a direct position of trust and influence over the legal system.

I wouldn't call it a Silicon Valley company. LexisNexis is in headquartered in New York.

pcrhabout 2 hours ago
I wonder how the court became aware of this attempt?

It might be as simple as a clerk doing "select all" and noticing the extra selection?

Or what else?

okwhateverdudeabout 2 hours ago
Likely has to do with how the ancient PACER system works with the formatting being stripped and thus the content revealed and mega obvious.
nottorpabout 1 hour ago
It's right there in the article. A clerk wondered why there was so much white space. They don't use LLMs at that court.
ShinyLeftPadabout 1 hour ago
They don't?

> these attacks do not seem to be succeeding, even when a judge isn’t reviewing documents with his own eyes. Brazil’s AI system caught the hidden text before it was processed, Spader noted. And in Elliott’s case, prompts were “exposed, in each of those settings, the moment a human being actually looked at what the machine produced,” Spader said.

ezoeabout 1 hour ago
That's their claim without any proof.
nottorp30 minutes ago
It's a court of law after all, not Anthropic/OpenAI. A bit more credible.
Simulacraabout 2 hours ago
Maybe their AI caught it...?
alexthediggerabout 1 hour ago
The whole court system can be replaced by an AI.
samrusabout 1 hour ago
This is such a naive and uninformed take. I hate AI threads, it atracts the worse discourse
cyanydeezabout 1 hour ago
Because Ai is inherently biased, trained on bias and will continue the legacy of bias? Or Because its ultimately about who trains itand whoe enforces ita rulings?
ruckcbekabout 2 hours ago
I put this stuff in my resume.
thedougd33 minutes ago
Any indications it works? What have you seen?
soupspacesabout 3 hours ago
ktallettabout 3 hours ago
I think it should be a case whereby if you use AI and there are flaws in your prosecution or defence, it should be thrown out. This is another situation whereby nuance is not handled by AI.
WJWabout 3 hours ago
I'm not a lawyer, but if there are (severe enough) flaws in the filings the case can be thrown out already. Adding a clause for AI-generated flaws does nothing.
ktallettabout 2 hours ago
It would be important to add as it removes the proof of competency of the lawyer if using AI to aid the case.
RobotToasterabout 1 hour ago
This was a litigant in person not a lawyer, most courts basically assume they're incompetent.
dist-epochabout 2 hours ago
What happens if AI becomes more competent than lawyers at law? Should then 100% human fillings be thrown out automatically?
spwa4about 3 hours ago
... did he win?