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andaiabout 3 hours ago
I tried clicking the "#551A8B streaks" link, looking forward to reading a rant about websites overriding link color (and link underlines to boot!)

But I was bamboozled! The link wasn't a link. It was just colored text! My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

That said, this is a very cool website.

bibabalooabout 3 hours ago
There's precedent here in things like fast food vs. farm to table, mass produced goods vs arts and craft, digital photography vs film. Yet at least in my social circle, I don't really hear anyone pining for an 'artisan internet'. Maybe it's because the internet is seen more as a tool than something to experience. Or maybe it's because we're still early in the 'mass produced internet' age. Or maybe network effects make transitioning away from the big networks to smaller ones difficult, unless you're only communicating with online-first groups. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the future, because right now it certainly seems like things are trending in the opposite direction.
benrutter11 minutes ago
> Yet at least in my social circle, I don't really hear anyone pining for an 'artisan internet'.

It definitely is a thing at least, to pine for the "small web" [0].

I think as well, dissatisfaction with major social networks is pretty widespread, I don't know how often it comes.alongside a pining for something more "artisinal" though.

[0] https://ar.al/2020/08/07/what-is-the-small-web/

artisinalabout 1 hour ago
Perhaps we can make internet forums trendy again. Those are artisanal by nature. Only user generated content. Strict moderation.
wolvoleoabout 1 hour ago
It's very difficult these days in the EU. With all the regulations around age verification, the requirement to work with police, having a privacy and cookie policy, a moderation policy, all that crap that the politicians force not just on the big ones that need it but also the little forum run by the one kid in his bedroom.

Some countries like Germany also require legal contact information (an Impressum). Technically it even applies to sites outside Germany that Germans can visit, though they don't really have a way of enforcing that. So basically if you have a website you're required to doxx yourself. The old web is not just being destroyed by big tech but by the politicians as well.

It's kinda time for a semi-darknet free from all the legislation. Tor is a bit too dark for it but it would be good to have some kind of anonimised hobby net that can escape all this red tape. Basically the free for all that the internet used to be in the late 90s.

fauigerzigerk4 minutes ago
>all that crap that the politicians force not just on the big ones that need it but also the little forum run by the one kid in his bedroom

It's bad enough but not quite as bad as you claim. Article 19 of the DSA exempts small websites from the most onerous and expensive rules that big platforms have to comply with.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2022/2065/oj/eng

conceptionabout 1 hour ago
Discord took this place.
walrus01about 3 hours ago
> Yet at least in my social circle, I don't really hear anyone pining for an 'artisan internet'.

In network engineering and telecom infrastructure circles, there's already a near universal opinion that big walled garden mass market social media (facebook, instagram, twitter, whatever) are permanently ruined and good only for shitposting. Or keeping up with posts from boomer generation / older gen-x relatives who don't know any better and won't use any other method to communicate.

Anything serious has moved into things like private Signal groups where the participants all know each other, and similar.

I also find it interesting to see people who started in-depth technical use of the internet well after 2010 "discovering" the concept of self hosting and running some of their own infrastructure, or even getting entirely fed up and removing anything google or microsoft (or similar subscription based) from their lives entirely. These are people who weren't there in the early days of the Internet and are now voluntarily choosing to say "no thanks" to lots of easy to use, subscriber-forever cloud based business models.

wolvoleoabout 1 hour ago
Yes I noticed that chat apps have kinda taken over the role of social media. At least for the usecase of staying in touch with friends.

I'm sure why too though, it's because all social media push these algorithmic feeds on us meaning we get bombarded with shit we didn't choose to follow.

With chat apps we can once again communicate with just the people we want without all the crap being shoved in between.

navaneabout 1 hour ago
Also chat is private. We went from public but anonymous to private and unanimous.
mmackhabout 3 hours ago
A lot of folks will tell you that computers with less features are the the answer, but over the past couple of years I’ve come to realise that how we interact (keyboard and mouse) with computers now is only one way to do it.

There’s something about building distraction-free computing, that doesn’t have to be less. I’ve been building something over the past five years, that puts an entire smart home into one device - sensors and microcontrollers have come incredibly far to make it feel a little bit like magic. What I’m getting at is - what if the environment provides input to the computer and not us directly? This would be one way of exploring quieter computing.

andaiabout 3 hours ago
What does that look like? It decides which HN link to render based on the angle of the sun?
mmackhabout 2 hours ago
It makes the world your canvas, but the device itself is intentionally screen-less. When you enter home - based on presence, time of day, ambient illuminance, barometric pressure, temperature what do you want to happen? Usually this involves a chain of devices, working together inside a blackbox running on an OS that no one single person can understand. What if all the cruft is abstracted away, and you can actually program and script in highly abstracted APIs what is going to happen. And that logic will last you for years. Or you tell an LLM and it writes the logic (code) for you. Having the logic run local makes the experience easier to reason about - now and in the future.

So yes, you can write code that calculates the angle of the sun and fire off a web request or email to send you an interesting HN link. But you can do much more...

[Edit] Again, this is only one approach that changes how we process input to reach a desired output.

walrus01about 2 hours ago
> When you enter home - based on presence, time of day, ambient illuminance, barometric pressure, temperature what do you want to happen? Usually this involves a chain of devices, working together inside a blackbox running on an OS that no one single person can understand.

A fair bit of this can already be implemented with a workflow that looks like:

Sensors -> zigbee or zwave -> home assistant

Or Internet based data -> home assistant (weather, external data, the humidity sensor at your local airport might be more accurate than the one on your deck, etc).

And then open source extensions/tools built into home assistant to cause things to happen, send external signals, run scripts, call APIs, talk to a local LLM, etc.

It's very much not a black box of opaque closed source software, rather the opposite, and it has a very active and technically knowledgeable enthusiast development community behind it.

If we posit for a minute that the data acquisition into locally-run system problem is not impossible to solve, then all kinds of things can be built atop that to serve your own unique home preferences.

> Having the logic run local

At the smallest scale people are doing this on raspberry pi, though I have seen people have much more satisfactory results on something with somewhat more system resources like an Intel N150 CPU based mini PC with 12GB RAM.

Going a bit up a bit in budget from there, people are running home assistant and frigate together on the same tiny system that is a KVM hypervisor (again all open source, no black boxes involved), so that Frigate can have a GPU passed through to it for image object detection/video analysis pipelines.

whilenot-devabout 2 hours ago
> And that logic will last you for years.

A lot of desires that require computation might not be so "logical" in nature, at least not in the automation kind of things.

I use a lot of computing for entertainment purposes and leisure activities, like reading news/ebooks, watching shows/movies, listening to music, gaming, clothing/furniture shopping, going into all kinds of rabbit holes etc. The HN link from GP was such an example.

How could any automation through other physical input help there? Sure, there is vector similarity and recommendation engines, but how could any sensor interpret my aesthetics and my desires to belong/grasp/play/participate?

That sounds exactly like the empty sci-fi promises that current AI companies are betting on.

tietjensabout 2 hours ago
I expected this to be literally about quieter computers.
__MatrixMan__about 2 hours ago
Me too. Like maybe we could convert to DC at the breaker box so I didn't have to be haunted by the squealing capacitors in all of the power supplies that are scattered around my house.
rao-vabout 3 hours ago
Esp32s with eink displays are pretty much this
ktallettabout 2 hours ago
Often we are missing something in that we don't need to change what we use quite so regularly. We can learn to enjoy tech of the past and still find it useful today. It would both be better for the planet and satisfy our realisation that constant upgrades and changes aren't always needed or even better.

Does a Canon S90 suddenly take bad photos or take photos that can't be printed? No, of course not, and that's a decade old.

Can you still write on a Thinkpad X201? Yes of course. If anything, that keyboard is far better.

userbinatorabout 2 hours ago
..and I dream of less activist sites.
yawpitch15 minutes ago
… so there ye are, ye broken hearted.
setnone44 minutes ago
yeah all i can see now is this creator wants a bunch of visitors dead, in cursive
Grombobulous15 minutes ago
I wonder if the author lives in New Hampshire. Every vehicle on the road has a message on the license plate threatening people who hate freedom and liberty up there. Concerning.
yawpitch15 minutes ago
Oh wow, someone on a tech site that doesn’t know how OR works!