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Ask HN: What would happen if your company stopped using all AI tomorrow?

jjc_811 about 4 hours ago 34 comments

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This is something I’ve been turning over in my head lately. I’m not denying AI is being used everywhere, but I don’t know if it’s actually helping businesses overall. If we shut it all down it seems that businesses would be fine (and maybe even better since there’d be no token burning budgets).
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chuckgreenmanabout 3 hours ago
I would guess that AI has given me a 30% improvement in pace? I don't know, it would feel like riding a bike on level ground instead of downhill
wax66about 3 hours ago
Pretty much nothing. We'd remove the AI integrations, the UI elements, then back to where we were. Luckily, we have no load bearing AI.

But if everyone else got to keep their AI, we'd lose customers very quickly.

bko10 minutes ago
None of your engineers use AI to develop the product? Seems hard to believe
joshuamoyersabout 3 hours ago
so ironic to see “load bearing” in a comment about removing AI. certain phrases have been ruined by fable/opus 5 for all time.
sixothreeabout 2 hours ago
I had this conversation recently. Not only are search engines and comment threads getting filled with AI responses, but people are increasingly sounding like AI themselves. This makes it even harder to distinguish.

Related to code quality, I've noticed developers picking up tricks from AI. Like using feature/xxxxx as the branch name. Last year exactly zero developers used this convention. If any used paths in their branches, it was almost certainly their name. Now everyone uses this convention. Though, they do use correct capitalization instead of lowercase freaking _everything_ that AI does.

distancesabout 1 hour ago
What. Strict branch naming like feature/, bugfix/, chore/, release/ has been the standard for probably 10 years now in all projects I've been in, often enforced by auto-rejecting pushes that don't comply.
rawlingabout 1 hour ago
I've been using it at work since we moved from TF source control to TF-Git, close to a decade ago. feature/ticketno, release/number and user/initials/...

TF at least gave a nice folder view on the branches screen, which we've lost now we've moved to GitHub, but it has made it easier to enforce.

HeyLaughingBoyabout 1 hour ago
I think this is just a Jira/bitbucket thing. If you add a feature branch, that's how the naming convention defaults. I've been seeing it for years.
bluefirebrandabout 1 hour ago
> Like using feature/xxxxx as the branch name. Last year exactly zero developers used this convention.

The AI learned it from somewhere though, it didn't come up with it on its own

anslopicabout 2 hours ago
Most people don’t use that shit.

Most just use Gemini or ChatGPT.

What does Anthropic bring to the table? Nothing, just a “me too” company

sixothreeabout 1 hour ago
Did you create this account simply to disparage a single company?
CookieCrispabout 1 hour ago
Sure sure sure
sixothreeabout 2 hours ago
Pretty much same. We only use it for internal projects when coding and for research for all team members, not just developers.
VariousProgramsabout 1 hour ago
The effort required to do most jobs has gone down and so has the output quality. Rather than doing the same quality work with less effort, some people use LLMs to produce minimum-quality work at minimum effort.

LLMs are a cool tool but we’re over-encouraging use in every domain, even tasks they’re not good at. Every tech company in the world seems to be getting rich though how can I possibly say things would be better without it?

vips7Labout 3 hours ago
I’d have to stop interacting with meat proxies and wouldn’t have to read copy pasted LLM text.
chrisra25 minutes ago
I have the same feeling but don't really know why. Why do I dislike reading LLM text so much? Weird
purple_wow10 minutes ago
All our devs would lose it. They will be lost
jpgvm27 minutes ago
We would probably be fine, but much slower.

However if everyone else stopped using AI we would be broke, so please don't do that.

vbwml24 minutes ago
Productivity would go up and most people apart from 5% addicts would rejoice.
oldsklgdfthabout 2 hours ago
I generally agree that the business does not see increased productivity and revenue from AI, if it does it is small enough to be within error.

That said, if everyone (not just devs) came in and there was no AI, the org would come to a halt. AI is load-bearing in my company. Everything from dev, code reviews, planning, doc writing, ops heavily uses AI. I mean heavily, there are dev that would not know where to start triaging an alarm without the robots. Same with customer service. So much of the human capital has leaked out of peoples' brains that is fair to compare it to brain drain.

Realistically, it would be painful for 1-3 months. People would go to teams with AI. A year from now, leadership is gonna have a hard time justifying keeping the lights out.

It is akin to asking "what would happen if your company stopped using the internet(to look things up)".

p_l31 minutes ago
Honestly?

I could theoretically maintain my output, yes.

Practically nope, not because I can't do the work without AI, as much as because of burnout - both from technical (Ansible, Python - neither are a thing I like using) and social (dealing with corpospeak) reasons.

_menelausabout 2 hours ago
We're an app dev agency so we would inflate our costs and timelines by 5x and we'd never win another bid.
conmod278about 3 hours ago
In support, we chuck in the logs and get detailed analysis of possible problems and causes. AI based support request handling has been literally Godsend.
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gottagocodeabout 2 hours ago
Hotfixes would go down by probably 50 to 60%. On a bi-weekly release rotation it was not abnormal to see 4 to 5 hot fix versions. In the past year, however, it is not uncommon to do 15 hotfix builds per release.
dosisking42 minutes ago
Code quality would definitely go up.
wolrahabout 1 hour ago
The only thing we use large models (they are not fucking AI, never will be, and calling them that only supports the hype nonsense) for in actual production is voicing generic IVR messages and such. If we lost that we'd go back to having to record them ourselves. Whoopdeedoo.

Other than that, interacting with my boss would become less stupid (or at least be his own variety of it instead of ChatGPT's variety of stupid) and nothing meaningful would change.

Everyone who's saying that they wouldn't get anything done at all, you're already doomed and I can't wait to watch the collapse after this crap has ruined so much.

anonzzziesabout 2 hours ago
My new business would instantly die, my old business (30+ years) would barely notice; those clients ain’t going nowhere.
chrisjj33 minutes ago
There'd be a huge problem training enough replacement humans to do the work to the low standard of the retired bots. We might have to settle for a rise in the quality of work. /i
idopmstuffabout 2 hours ago
One-man show here - I own a dozen small e-commerce brands. I'll assume you're just taking away AI, but not the tools I've built with AI.

I've got all kinds of useful tools that do helpful things, like check to make sure Amazon hasn't lost a bunch of my inventory or suddenly deindexed my product from search. These sorts of things happen without warning from time to time and are trivially fixable if you catch them, but you have to be constantly monitoring 10 different things to catch anything that could go wrong in a timely fashion.

I've similarly got an inventory/cashflow management system that's deterministic that would be fine, but some of my other tools, like one that scrapes my Alibaba/WeChat/Whatsapp/Gmail supplier convos to keep my order status board updated, is finicky. I wouldn't be able to repair that once it broke.

For some tasks, I'd have to go back to freelancers. At this point, when I take over a new brand and want to refresh images or want to A/B test new ones with an existing brand, I can do that entirely with image gen. No AI would just send me back to Upwork.

For other tasks, I'd just have to do them myself. Right now when I acquire a brand, I have a Claude skill that runs through all of the Amazon search and ads reports to find the key search terms, analyzes the text of the listing and proposes updates to make sure we're hitting the ones that matter. I used to do that myself, but it takes somewhere between 2-10 hours depending how many products we're talking about.

The biggest loss would be the inability to expand. I started out just buying Amazon-only brands because Amazon provides a crazy amount of infrastructure that enables me to run a lot of them by myself. My most recent acquisition came with a Shopify site that had minimal sales plus a Meta ad account the guy who sold me the brand had done a little experimentation with. A year ago, I would've just discarded those, since my time is the biggest bottleneck. It takes a lot of time to run your own site and Meta ads, so it makes more sense for me not to bother and instead just make more Amazon-only acquisitions.

But now I'm having a great time really pushing Claude and ChatGPT to do most of the work. I redesigned the site more or less by just having ChatGPT do research on competitors and best practices, then having Claude run with that. That took maybe eight total hours of work.

I'm spinning up an enormous amount of creative to test on Meta, and I had ChatGPT research and spec all of the kinds of landing pages that are worth trying. Claude implemented them and set up the ads using Meta's ads APIs. I got all of that done yesterday.

So yeah, basically if I couldn't use AI any more, I'd get back to the original thesis of my business, which is buying small brands at reasonable prices and operating them as leanly as possible. It still works, but it'd be a lot less fun and profitable.

mrdependableabout 2 hours ago
Off topic, but where do you find these brands to buy?
idopmstuffabout 2 hours ago
Flippa, Empire Flippers and to a lesser degree Quiet Light Brokerage
cactaceaabout 1 hour ago
Total collapse, idiot managers already fired everyone that knew how anything worked and now they're completely fucked. Frankly I have no idea how I've managed to hang on this long but likely to be gone myself in a few weeks as well.
temp_praneshpabout 3 hours ago
If it were just my company and not the whole industry for some newly discovered reason/vulnerability, I would quit because leadership has gone retarded.