Vermell – Minimal, dependency-free C++ web framework using epoll

Panzerschrek•1 day ago

It looks suspicious. It has only 18 commits, the majority of code was added via single initial commit. is it LLM-generated?

NewsaHackO•about 24 hours ago

If I were to open source a project these days, I will definitely have my progress be a clean, huge initial single commit. Too many busybodies trying to piece together code forensics to say something is vibe coded or not.

gruntled-worker•about 23 hours ago

If new free projects had to have a "100% artisanal" pledge I wouldn't even consider starting one. Hand-crafting the core design is still superior. Not delegating the grunt work for copy-paste level stuff is just wasting time, though. I don't require the circuit boards in my electronics to be hand-drilled either.

cstrahan•about 6 hours ago

> I don't require the circuit boards in my electronics to be hand-drilled either.

This is the exact example I used the other day. Same with pick-and-place, CNC for subtractive manufacturing, 3D printing for additive, plastic injection molding, etc. I wouldn't want to live in a world where the only option for products produced by such automation were instead done one-off by artisans. Sure, if you want a hand crafted laptop where everything (save for the silicon, I suppose) was hand carved, hand placed, hand soldered, etc, you should, by all means, be allowed to pay $20,000-$200,000 for that privilege, instead of ~$2,000.

It's bizarre to me that so many developers are overly attached to typing every individual character. If I could get paid for my sense of knowledge and good judgement to design software while delegating 100% of the process of creating to a team of engineers, I would. And as a staff engineer, I'm already close to that, but there are things I have to roll my sleeves up and handle myself.

1718627440•about 21 hours ago

I write my open source code, because I need it and then maybe some other too. If they don't want to use it, because they wrongly think it's generated, I couldn't care less.

localhoster•1 day ago

Read through the readme a bit, it's obv it is

gjvc•1 day ago

sounds like you are envious of their productivity. define "suspicious"

hilti•1 day ago

I like the idea and the logo. But some real world examples like database usage, partials within templates and handling forms are missing.

winrid•1 day ago

You need examples for actually using different databases.

standar-donkey•1 day ago

Hey HN,

I built Vermell, a minimal, zero-dependency C++ web framework designed to explore low-level networking, non-blocking I/O with Linux epoll, and simple Express-like routing under the hood.

I originally started this ~4 years ago and paused it over socket/memory security concerns. Recently, I picked it back up, audited the codebase, and packaged it with APT, Docker, and an NPX starter.

Site & docs: https://vermell.cc/

Would love any feedback on the architecture, security edge cases, or performance.

blackfawn•about 4 hours ago

This looks really nice, I'll definitely try it out! I take it by the examples that minimum is C++20? Have you done any benchmarks compared to any others?

sriniwasx•about 23 hours ago

As cool as it sound, do we actually need it? also what problem are we solving?

Performance is probably the only angle that has some potential but only short requests, the db and other external IO/services is a bigger bottleneck.

rfgplk•about 22 hours ago

Because the performance of existing web frameworks is... _absymal_. They are nowhere close to how fast they can be. And I don't mean slower by a bit, I mean close to a factor of 10x. My in-house framework can serve 600-700k requests/s on a single core, while beast (the best c++ framework i could identify) does 250k at best. nginx/apache and other prebaked servers are even slower, at 100k req/s. Tells you all you need to know.

Vermell – Minimal, dependency-free C++ web framework using epoll

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