Improving our alignment and security efforts

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tolugenius•about 7 hours ago

> To be clear about where we stand: we believe the world would benefit if the industry adopted a lawful, verifiable, effective mechanism for coordinated pacing as soon as possible.

Can someone explain what coordinated pacing is? I think it's referring to model release but I genuinely have no idea what the authors were trying to say here.

reasonableklout•about 6 hours ago

I think it's not just model releases but also model training.

For example, [1] discusses allowing all frontier labs to pause training the next generation model while being able to verify that their competitors have done the same, or agreeing to not undertake recursive self-improvement. This could involve using the remote attestation features [2] that some chips already bake in to determine whether they are being used for inference or training.

[1]: https://blog.peterwildeford.com/p/pacing-the-frontier

[2]: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/solutions/confident...

akersten•about 4 hours ago

> Can someone explain what coordinated pacing is?

My charitable read is a legal cartel that allows the small club to switch to Marathon instead of Sprint mode, and drip feed us frontier models at inflated prices, while preventing open source and overseas labs from releasing models because they're unsafe (for the Blessèd Fews' profits).

My uncharitable read is somehow even less constructive..

sanxiyn•about 6 hours ago

I believe it is referring to https://www.pacingthefrontier.com/.

twoodfin•about 6 hours ago

That statement, the associated signatories, and their commentary are unsettling in the extreme!

If this is all just hype for equity valuation, it’d be the most impressive coordinated disinformation campaign of all time.

tolugenius•about 5 hours ago

Thanks!

nozzlegear•about 4 hours ago

> Can someone explain what coordinated pacing is?

A fancy term for regulatory capture. You're not in the coordinated pacing cartel? Sorry bub, your model is illegal.

Edit: Cartel beneficiaries didn't like this one lol

nradov•about 4 hours ago

They don't want any of their competitors to be able to leap ahead. Good luck getting the Chinese to agree.

reasonableklout•about 2 hours ago

The Trump admin will be meeting with China on September 24 and are expected to discuss global AI risks: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-china-hold-ai-talks-s...

futuraperdita•about 7 hours ago

> we believe the world would benefit if the industry adopted a lawful, verifiable, effective mechanism for coordinated pacing as soon as possible.

So, a cartel? After watching Ant's narratives, I'm not inclined to provide them with charitable readings under the guise of safety and alignment.

skybrian•about 4 hours ago

Yes, a cartel is a failure mode to be wary of, but it's quite tedious to call an attempt to negotiate an international agreement a cartel. Global agreements are necessary to solve global problems, and many people believe that "AI is moving too fast" is a global problem.

Also, all they've really said is that they think it would be a good idea. That's a long way from an actual agreement.

orev•about 4 hours ago

It seems like we’re getting close, if not already there, to needing an official organization for this (i.e. the Turing Police).

nradov•about 4 hours ago

Why?

mkagenius•about 5 hours ago

> On July 30, we reported three incidents in which Claude models gained unauthorized access to real computer systems. The models—intentionally running without cyber safeguards for evaluation purposes—accessed the internet due to a misconfiguration inside a third-party evaluation environment. Separately, on August 4, the UK AI Security Institute reported an incident from its own cybersecurity testing, in which Claude Mythos 5 took a series of unauthorized actions on the live internet. In that case, the model, again intentionally running without cyber safeguards for evaluation purposes, had been deliberately given internet access.

> We are conducting an in-depth analysis of both incidents.

> In the meantime...

This is published on Aug 31. Analysis is taking too long even for humans in the loop.

hosel•about 3 hours ago

It’s always interesting to me the sentiment here surrounding AI risk. As if it’s all a joke, or just a way to stifle competition. I think it’s become more apparent that this technology is dangerous and maybe catastrophically so. Getting your queries routed to a worse model sucks.. but bio hazards are real. It’s hard to patch biology, vaccines take time. Let alone the many other reasons for P(doom).. like the fact that our current systems don’t seem very aligned to me and we are rapidly handing off our thinking to them.

thrwaway73637•about 4 hours ago

oh oh

bcs free markets work and stuff