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If I'm one of these researchers who's leaving their position, "I am so smart that I can make something world endingly dangerous, but also so principled that I'm willing to walk away from it" is a pretty slick bit of self promotion.
Even if I was making a career change for unrelated reasons, that's absolutely the story I'd be telling.
https://www.reuters.com/business/anthropic-ceo-urges-ai-comp...
If researchers say AI is dangerous but keep their position, well they're obviously hyping up their boss and doing it for the money, otherwise they'd quit. If they say AI is dangerous and quit, they're self-promoting.
I have no idea what these researchers could do, if they were genuine, that you would accept as even weak evidence that they believed what they say.
Russia, for example, is already using AI targeting (Ukraine too but "with callback", ie. AI targeting asks permission to the commander and no permission? No targeting), China and Turkey are delivering AI targeting solutions to ... essentially anyone (the old Syrian government and Azerbeijan were both provided with them, and Azerbeijan probably used them against Armenian civilians in the blockade of Nagorno-Karabagh). Turkey provided them to Ukraine earlier in the war, then Russia flew a number of planes very close to Turkish borders and now they don't anymore.
The son-in-law of Turkey's prime minister, Özdemir Bayraktar, is among selling them.
As for diplomacy, the UN has already decided they will do nothing about it. And that means, btw, that the ICC will do nothing either.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/09/1168288
https://www.azernews.az/region/263412.html (Iran proudly declares they're doing this)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2024/02/22/azerbaijan...
So you want this? Excellent! So what are you going to do? Keep in mind that serious amounts of violence will be required to accomplish your ban on AI drones, because the main strength of AI drones used to be that only side has them, but that time is passed. Turkey has no doubt built up their production, Russia obviously has (and is producing 100+ per day), and China, well we don't really know, but it's China, so ...
When two sides have them (like in Ukraine), it seems to be a numbers game. So you want to make any headway, you'll have to produce large amounts of AI targeting drones to accomplish this.
The "zone" of public discourse is flooded with sewage. US news business has lost its mind. And government...
Humans being "in-the-loop" is not enough. Humans must know what they are actually saying and doing. Humans just being "in-the-loop" cannot fix incompetence in social policy and software design.
Humans are "in-the-loop" in corporations and that isn't working very well for society.
Given sufficient human incompetence, the technology doesn't even need to be powerful or efficient (or even work as advertised). It just needs to amplify/scale human incompetence.
They are like lab scientists in a Hollywood thriller, watching a mutant organism rapidly evolving in front of their eyes.
They believe the sci-fi, rather than the reality. They've bought their own hype, and abandoned their critical thinking skills.
They're the guy saying to the computer "Say you're alive", and then being astonished when the computer says "I am alive."
These things should be as secure as possible, and I don't think rogue AIs, even super intelligent ones, have the capability to destroy humanity. Not to mention, super intelligent AIs would know that destroying humanity will also destroy themselves.
Maybe in 20 years once we have only self driving cars, robots in every household or maybe robots with weapons, then AI would pose a real extinction risk. But we're not there yet and it depends less on the development of AI and more on the development of physical real world robots.
The other is the human deploying these things don't even need to be bad (evil) actors. They can just be really dumb and/or lazy in how they use them and then inadvertently cause huge amounts of real damage.
As Margaret Atwood pointed out "Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results"
So, hell yes. Let's treat AI with the same degree of care we treat fire.
It may be the case that he was too idealistic, but those Three Laws seem foundational to discussion of what we do with AI.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics
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Is obvious that Trump fears an AI assisted killer droid attack. Change of hair tone (obviously to make any automatic face match more difficult, and confuse any long-distance shooter), thick plastic screens seen behind him at rallies to stop drones and shooters. A cavalcade of black limousines in the road with a Trump impersonator trying his best effort to be noticed... (Why would you travel in a bullet-proof vehicle with the bullet-proof window opened? the only logical explanation is trying to lure out any hitman hiding in the location).
He looks much less smug; is reducing his Chiquito de la Calzada impersonations [1], and adopting a lower profile, maybe also fearing the post-midterms. His social truth posts are filled with images of him with radioactive fire balls in his hands and traveling in planes and garbage trucks. Asking for a ride out of US, Trump?
The risk of some disruptive event in the next 60 days is greater than ever in US history. It does not need to be assisted by AI. NS (natural stupidity) is more than enough. I'm particularly concerned by the triad: Lincoln bathroom + UCF fight + distracting pool.
I don't see how this could be stopped unless every country agrees to sign treatises and follow international laws of war. Sadly this can't happen until a few old men and war criminals are jailed or die of old age. Nobody respect treatises anymore.
These men will block or delay the climate actions until is too late. Will send their army to kill left and right, will remove anti famine measures just by spite, killing thousands. They will do anything to save themselves from jail, or to earn one million more.
These men, not AI, are the real problem. But they rarely exit their bunkers nowadays. They know.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiquito_de_la_Calzada
A common retort to someone talking about extinction risk is "only people which don't work on AI research or understand transformers are scared. people that work on LLMs know better than to fear matrix multiplication".
I can just sit back and watch the technofeudal system form and serf the web.