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Someone1234about 2 hours ago
I've been using it for several months since the developer beta came out; overall I'm extremely positive on it. One of their better releases that seemingly focused more on quality and refinements than new-features.

Siri is definitely worth using now, even if it remains still a work-in-progress/needs continued refinement. It can surprise you in good ways, but it isn't consistently good yet.

The keyboard remains unfixed, as is tradition. The same issues they've "fixed" like three or four releases now, seemingly are identically broken, and I'm lost faith they CAN fix it.

The iOS Keyboard and Search on Windows, are like the perpetually broken things that both companies have "fixed" every year for the last ten+ years and yet... It is almost farcical as this point.

mchusma19 minutes ago
Apple's search is so comically bad. For example, I can click on my applications, and I have an app called Chess. I can often type letters C-H-E-S-S and have it not show the Chess app. This is inside the applications folder!

Many people have complained before. Honestly I ONLY search for app names in spotlight search or application window, it should be trivial to make it actually work. Maybe i just need to vibecode some alternative search bar :(

jeffrapp7 minutes ago
It’s so much worse than that. This happens to me on a daily basis with both MacOS and iOS. Say I’m searching for Chess, I’ll get to the C-H and it’ll show the Chess app, but enter that next -E and it’s totally gone. It feels like the system is designed like “Well, I showed them Chess when they entered CH, but they kept typing, so they must not actually want Chess.” This ends up breaking for me like 95% of the time, and the only way around it is to search like “C”…wait for results…”H”…wait for results…etc. It’s maddening.
MeetingsBrowser13 minutes ago
A common one I hit is "blu" showing bluetooth settings, but "blue" does not. Very frustrating to see the thing you are hoping for popup, but then go away as you type more if its name.
vladvasiliu5 minutes ago
Windows does this, too. So I really wonder how come two companies implemented the same borked behavior.
saturn8601about 2 hours ago
Any improvements to voice to text? I use iPhone 13 Mini and so keyboard has always been hard to type on. But voice to text..man..it is an absolutly miserable experience that I wish I could swap out for any other competitor.

I normally don't complain that iOS/MacOS isn't customizable because the defaults are good enough to work for me but that voice to text man its like they completely forgot about it.

coder543about 1 hour ago
There is also a new, larger voice to text model available... but not for an old iPhone like the 13 mini. Only like the iPhone 17 Pro and above.

The best workaround is a third party app that lets you run Parakeet V3 or Whisper on your phone. There are quite a few.

xattt23 minutes ago
Dictus is one that I’ve been playing around with.
matthewfcarlson36 minutes ago
It’s by far the best speech to text I’ve ever used so I’m a fan
ilamontabout 2 hours ago
Hear hear. The insistence upon prioritizing names in my extensive contacts list as well as certain geographic names leads to so many unnecessary manual edits.
aschobelabout 1 hour ago
i’ve been using the beta for a few months now, and the speech to text is significantly better. Put in parentheses using apple speech to text

Some stuff, as you can see, isn’t perfect :-)

I don’t think it is parakeet v2 level, but it’s good enough to not be frustrating

swinglockabout 2 hours ago
How is the keyboard broken? Maybe I'm so used to whatever it is that I'm blind to it.
sippeangeloabout 2 hours ago
They have some nasty "dynamic tap zones" algorithm that dynamically resizes the hitbox for keys based on what it predicts you will type in order to reduce miss-taps. Anecdotally, it has just steadily been getting worse with every update. I swear I can be pressing the center of a key and it will select the next one over and immediately autocorrect to a completely different word than what I typed.

I had the pleasure of typing something on an Android the other day and it was such a breath of fresh air when it actually accepted the keys I was pressing...

rayinerabout 1 hour ago
What's hilarious is that typing was nearly perfect on my 3gs (with "iPhone OS 3"--back before it was even "iOS").
jhhhabout 1 hour ago
Thank you for putting a name to this phenomenon. I hadn't gone through my yearly attempt to figure out why iOS was terrible for text entry. I figured since I only have an iPad and not an iPhone, and infrequently type in it, that it just hadn't learned my habits or words. It's incredible that they've developed these kinds of algorithms that have made every facet of text entry from speech to text to spell checking to typing itself such a miserable experience.
HumblyTossedabout 1 hour ago
In addition to this, there is a delay in the suggested word such that when you see the options above the keyboard, decide you see the word you want, stop typing and move to select it, it changes right as you land your finger.
kayodelycaonabout 1 hour ago
Oh wonderful. That’s what’s happening to me. I’m an author and Apple‘s dictionary appears to be missing about half the more uncommon words in the English language. It’ll never recognize “prescient” in dictation for example. Some words it marks in red because it thinks it’s a spelling error. I know it’s not because I’ve used it, read it, and it’s in online dictionaries.

At least I’m macOS I can use Talon instead of the system dictation.

GreekPeteabout 2 hours ago
Ah, so that’s why that happens? I was gaslighting myself.
Machaabout 2 hours ago
The best way to put it is it really wants to type what it wants to type, and if you deviate from that it will often end up just ignoring it. Whether it's the dynamic tap zones as mentioned elsewhere, or just auto correcting backwards and changing words you've already typed. Also when you go back and change a word it will also often insert additional spaces around the changed word. Or worse still if you mistype a word like say banana then backspan to ban and retype ana, it will display banana... Until you hit space and it turns it into "ban ana".
Agingcoderabout 2 hours ago
Try an android keyboard and go back to an iphone. Having switched back and forth between both systems it’s quite remarkable how bad the iphone keyboard is. In practice , typing on an iphone means constant typos, bad autofix, and bad suggestions.
devindotcomabout 2 hours ago
I personally use the swiping keyboard on ios and it seems to detect the wrong word with an almost malicious frequency. It also randomly Capitalizes things.
devilbunnyabout 2 hours ago
For some reason, the one word that it just will not let me swipe is “and”. Which is, you know, somewhat common. I get all kinds of random things instead.
xenospn41 minutes ago
I also use it all the time and I hate it very much. It almost never works right on the first try.
tom_about 1 hour ago
It's intriguing. Danny! Infuriating.

I think it's slightly worded if you swore. No. Slightly worded. No. Slightly worse if you swipe left handed. Yes. At last.

shredditabout 2 hours ago
Each time you type the wrong letter there’s a big chance you didn’t miss but the keyboard typed the wrong key anyway.
Machaabout 2 hours ago
Would have been totally gaslit by my iPad on this only I have an android phone to compare my typing accuracy on.
DrammBA20 minutes ago
https://youtu.be/hksVvXONrIo - [It's Not Just You - The iOS Keyboard is Broken]
kovariantenkakabout 2 hours ago
Typing German and Swiss German is entirely broken while English is fine on the Swiss German keyboard layout. It very often registers the wrong key even though a slow motion video shows very clearly that the finger hits the correct key initially.
gruturoabout 2 hours ago
I have an English/Italian bilingual keyboard set up as my default.

Every single f**n time I begin a sentence with "È" (Italian for "she/he/it is") - which is an extremely deliberate gesture - you have to keep the E tapped until the accents pop up - it will immediately correct it back to an unaccented "E". It's nuts.

There is a metric ton of intent behind my selecting, keeping tapped, waiting for the accents, picking one - it's so obviously NOT accidental, and this utterly cretinous piece of junk changes it .

prmoustache21 minutes ago
Can't "autocorrect" be replaced to "autosuggest" instead like on android devices?

I have never been fan of autocorrection tools (especially as I am regularly writing in 4 different languages) regardless of the OS but definitely use autosuggestions to correct potential spelling errors.

schainksabout 2 hours ago
1. Auto-correct inserts the wrong words into my sentences despite correct spelling and grammar. Think, "what a ducking joke". This has suddenly gotten better recently when it comes to typos, though.

2. The keyboard's AI will also helpfully misinterpret key presses and sub the wrong letter, which doesn't get corrected. For example, common acronyms get corrected to other acronyms I _never_ use. FFS turns into FFA regularly.

pyaambabout 2 hours ago
I really need the spacebar to expand slightly more on the right so my thumb doesn't miss it while typing. Wish it were customizable.
hosteurabout 2 hours ago
This! So many times have I hit one of the keys in the row above space. I think this might actually be caused by them resizing the hitbox because I am not that fat-fingered.
misnomeabout 2 hours ago
This is the “dynamic key area” in action
neutronicusabout 2 hours ago
It's unclear to me if they're alleging that it's recently broken. I switched to iPhone at my wife's insistence 3-4 years ago and I have pined for Swype the entire time. It's so bad and I was spoiled by Android.
jitlabout 1 hour ago
You can install a different keyboard if you want. I used 3rd party swiping keyboards but ended up using the system one for the last few years because it doesn't bother me.
WalterGRabout 2 hours ago
What do you find lacking in iOS’s swipe keyboard implementation?
__patchbit__about 2 hours ago
macOS has the prior keycombo for 'home' and 'end' occupied for other uses.

   command + up/down arrow
I don't know how to read to the bottom of a webpage and jump immediately to the top of page.

Plus, the global key at bottom left fails for keyboard shortcut input when defining new binding for managing windowing rearrangement.

gabagoolabout 2 hours ago
Your specific usecase has a native solve. Tap the status bar on any scrollable content view to scroll immediately to the top of the page. This has been around since, I believe, iPhone OS 1.
mathisfun123about 2 hours ago
try using swipe-type on an android and you'll see. the funny thing is it's been this way since the iphone 1 because iphone 1 didn't have swipe-type while very early android did (via "swype").
visargaabout 2 hours ago
(adjacent to keyboard) It has no way to select all text. That makes the whole platform a toy.
vjvjvjvjghvabout 2 hours ago
It used to be there but a few releases ago the option disappeared.
asaddhamaniabout 1 hour ago
In my experience new Siri has been better only marginally. Still tons of I didn’t understand the query responses
gralababout 1 hour ago
Marginally better? What kind of queries are you giving it? It's obviously not as capable as GPT, etc, but it's leaps and bounds better than the old Siri. There's no question about that.
wycyabout 2 hours ago
> Siri is definitely worth using now, even if it remains still a work-in-progress/needs continued refinement. It can surprise you in good ways, but it isn't consistently good yet.

I really wish we could add our own custom prompts for the new Siri. My most common usage of Siri is "Remind me at XX:00 to do XYZ." The most common response from Siri now is, "Sorry, did you say XYZ or XZY?", where XYZ and XZY are two very similar things between which the difference is inconsequential.

Dealing with this "Sorry" response has made reminders take annoying extra steps. Wish I could throw in a "If I'm setting a reminder and you don't quite hear me, just put both things in one reminder and I'll figure it out myself" to the prompt.

nick_about 2 hours ago
I too feel the keyboard is broken but I haven't identified exactly what is broken about it.
brainzapabout 2 hours ago
its when you type it wrong two times, and then slowly type it. Then it works.
OptionOfTabout 2 hours ago
I had issues with the Siri Beta. I would ask it to open the garage door, and often it just... failed.

Un-enrolling from the beta fixed it.

MarkSweepabout 2 hours ago
If the iOS keyboard is broken in terms of auto correct suggestions, try resetting its dictionary. I found it was much improved after that.
eslaughtabout 2 hours ago
What's better about it in your usage?
DerDerDaIstabout 2 hours ago
re keyboard: i don't get how the keyboard on the iphone can be so broken. meanwhile the small keyboard on the ipad works like a charm.

or am i the only one experiencing it like this?

eldenbishopabout 2 hours ago
I was starting to think I was getting old and senile with how hard typing has become on the iPhone. It's a misery. I have to type so insanely slow to have any chance of getting the right keys now. I don't have this issue on other virtual keyboards, iPad etc.
Tepixabout 2 hours ago
Was just looking over the Safari 27 release notes¹, which is part of macOS 27, and noticed this:

Web Driver

New Features

- Allow your agent to connect to a Safari browser for development and debugging via the Safari MCP server. (176038457)

Related (From July 1st)

Introducing the Safari MCP server for web developers

https://webkit.org/blog/18136/introducing-the-safari-mcp-ser...

So that's interesting. On the other hand, looks like WebXR support for Safari will never come.

---

¹ https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-not...

hakuninabout 1 hour ago
Unfortunately, not well suited for stealth use cases for personal automation. Here's a comparison to an mcp tool that allows driving your live safari via osascript:

[1]: https://github.com/achiya-automation/safari-mcp#vs-apples-of...

bel8about 1 hour ago
It's really powerful. I have been using it in Chrome for a while.

This is how to enable: chrome://inspect/#remote-debugging

_1about 2 hours ago
This MCP server for Safari is pretty neat. I think I'm going to start automatting some tasks for our corporate websites.
throw0101dabout 3 hours ago
At the bottom of the press release they have links to individual OS pages:

* iOS 27: https://www.apple.com/os/ios/

* iPadOS 27: https://www.apple.com/os/ipados/

* macOS: https://www.apple.com/os/macos/

* watchOS: https://www.apple.com/os/watchos/

* visionOS: https://www.apple.com/os/visionos/

* tvOS 27: no link.

* Overview: https://www.apple.com/os/?version=no-hero

ArtificialAIabout 1 hour ago
Poor tvOS :(
dgellowabout 3 hours ago
Reminder to wait a couple of months before upgrading macOS! Every single time issues are found after a new macOS version, give it a little bit of time before jumping right away on your work machine :)
Stitch4223about 1 hour ago
Normally I’d agree.

But my experience with 26 hasn’t been great. From the top of my head: Random repeated flashing window chrome in the background, notifications that keep on showing while everything is disabled, Finder tooltips from four windows down, tooltips that don’t disappear, Java update interruptions that hijack your flow - just when you where about to hit enter for something else the pop-up shows and bam: you’re installing it. There is nothing right about the update process of Java anyway. Spotlight search has completely stopped working. People I’m mailing with for over a decade are not suggested when drafting a mail. Clicking on the dock icon does not reveal the app. The list goes on and on. It has been a total grueling experience. Worst in all my experiences since System 7.

I’ve shut down the notification system at some point, which alleviated the constant reminders of non-compatibility with the next OS version. Being reminded of that four times a day for months on end is just insulting, even if I used compatible versions. There was no way to shut it off. Notifications are lazily designed and completely uninspired, as they could also adjust the app icons and so on and actually do it right.

I promised myself to update once it came out and then just screen record everything to collect residual garbage to help the Apple team make this stuff work well for everyone.

Sorry to let this all out, but it has been on my mind for a while and I’m happy they say they focussed on quality. Therefore I’m upgrading asap this time.

atonseabout 2 hours ago
I feel pretty good about the 27 series in a way I haven't in the past (I've been running iOS 27 and it's working well), except for one thing, they remove x86 support (no more Rosetta), so just keep that in mind in case that might disrupt anything for you.
mdesqabout 2 hours ago
I thought they weren't removing Rosetta until macOS 28. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102527
compiler-develabout 2 hours ago
Rosetta is still present in 27.
avazhi3 minutes ago
The fact that you're nearly faded because people are downvoting you is fucking diabolical. What the fuck is this website now? What you said is an objective and easily verifiable statement of fact lol.
atonseabout 2 hours ago
I keep getting so many warnings about this though - maybe I'm misreading it? is 27 the LAST version with Rosetta maybe?
VCFundedGenYer21 minutes ago
I normally suggest the same, but 26 has been universally bad. This is the "point release" or "Snow Leopard" edition of 26.
gekoxyzabout 2 hours ago
Don't worry I am still on Sonoma :)
deweyabout 2 hours ago
In theory that makes sense, in practice I've never had any issues with updating on day one and it's often necessary if you want to develop for iOS / macOS anyway unless you have a dedicated developer machine.
usern20260720about 2 hours ago
yes. I have been waiting 12 months already because Tahoe didn't convince many people, and I dread the moment I upgrade my mpb m3. Maybe I should just keep the factory OS
mjhagenabout 2 hours ago
I’ve been running it for a couple months, I’d say we’re pretty much out of danger.
robrainabout 1 hour ago
You do you. I backup and install once the RC goes live. Have done for years. Only problem I recall was a few years ago Homebrew got in a tizzy for a day.

One exception maybe is for music producers. For some reason AU/VST/DAW developers don't seem to take part in the beta programs and their software can take a while to get updated. But I've happily been playing with Bitwig (with some Arturia VSTs) over the weekend on Golden Gate without issue.

wrs33 minutes ago
I keep the studio computer OS a full version behind.

My impression from audio developers is that the audio infrastructure is very badly documented (like so much of MacOS nowadays) and using it properly requires a combination of luck, WWDC videos, and devrel threads. Also, Apple introduces changes that are genuine improvements in theory, but break undocumented assumptions.

The lack of rigor is a bit surprising given that audio is probably the only mission-critical hard-real-time thing MacOS does. People routinely run an entire live concert on a Mac and an audio glitch is not OK! (Yes, if it’s Taylor Swift budget then there are at least two machines in sync with a big red button to switch over…)

But given what they’re dealing with, I understand why it’s more involved than just “the developers didn’t try the betas”.

tensorabout 1 hour ago
I used to always do this but I hate liquid glass with such passion that I even upgraded to an iOS beta just to get any improvements to it. Worst UI update in the history of the company.
Hamukoabout 2 hours ago
I just updated my Mac Studio from Sequoia to Tahoe.

Gotta say, a massive downgrade.

baggy_troughabout 2 hours ago
You don't have to! I always update the day of. So far, no regrets!
rvzabout 2 hours ago
Good advice.
seanhunterabout 2 hours ago
I love Siri's suggestions for categories in my shopping list. At the moment it puts "Dishwasher Rinse Aid" in the "Beverages" category.
gib4443 minutes ago
[delayed]
marknutterabout 2 hours ago
Well, the kids were eating Tide Pods not too long ago, seems like Siri's not that inaccurate after all.
unclad596835 minutes ago
That was almost 10 years ago. Seems like it was just yesterday.
fwip34 minutes ago
From what I recall, the only people actually eating Tide pods were elderly folks with dementia. The kids were joking about it a lot, though.
reaperducerabout 1 hour ago
My favorite bumper sticker from when the Millennials were in college was a riff on the old "I {$cause}, and I vote" from the 80's:

"I eat Tide Pods, and I vote"

ForceBruabout 2 hours ago
So, is it better (faster, stronger, etc) than iOS 18? Everyone says iOS 26 was not good at all and iOS 27 is much better, but it seems like it's fairly simple to make something that's better than iOS 26. A more interesting question is whether it's better than iOS 18? Does anyone have any experience switching from iOS 18 to, say, some beta of iOS 27?
GeekyBearabout 1 hour ago
You can always read a review:

> The promise of iOS 27 is that it’ll not only unlock new capabilities but also make your existing workflows smoother and quicker.

https://sixcolors.com/post/2026/09/ios-27-review-little-thin...

An update that improves performance on even the oldest supported device is a win.

etatesterabout 1 hour ago
"Better" is subjective. I've been using iOS 27 beta and other than a few bugs it hasn't been that bad. I only had some minor downgrades in Safari UI, but those are minor and personal.

One thing I hated was a downgrade in Photos app on iOS 26 though, that hasn't improved in 27. Unfortunately it seems I was the only one loving Photos on iOS 18.

I did jump from macOS 18 to macOS 27 beta though and Safari's UI is abhorrent.

GeekyBearabout 1 hour ago
It improves performance on the oldest iOS device that is supported.
apparent35 minutes ago
Compared to iOS 18? Or just compared to 26? how so?
metaltyphoon40 minutes ago
How can I not remove 35GB of "Apple Intelligence" download? I hope there is a way to do this both on macOS and on the iPhone too
iAMkenough14 minutes ago
Apple Intelligence and Siri were separate toggles before, but no more.

Curious if it lets you reclaim space if you turn off Siri.

gekoxyzabout 3 hours ago
Usually I wait until december to install the new iOS on my phone, since most of the time I don't care about the upgrades. This time I installed iOS 27 beta on my phone since the public beta was out, and I had 0 new bugs compared to iOS 26, but it hasn't been the big relief that I hoped for.

Now I am worried about what the new versions of iOS will bring us, I hope that the "we removed the crap" wasn't just a thing of this year, and that iOS will go back to high software standards. Phone prices are really high for me now, and I would like for my poor little iphone 13 to survive another couple of years.

nick_about 2 hours ago
Are you exaggerating? I tried the latest beta about a month ago and experienced multiple bugs within half an hour. Had to downgrade back to 26.
gekoxyzabout 1 hour ago
No, not exaggerating at all, but I'm not a power user of the phone. I just do really simple stuff, and I didn't find new bugs, just old ones. But obviously that's my experience... The most noticeable stuff was the app launch speed.
nick_38 minutes ago
Interesting. Bugs on mine were from using core apps, IIRC. I wonder if bugs manifest on some iPhone hardware versions? Or maybe even which iOS version the phone was upgrade from?
Cockbrandabout 2 hours ago
So what's your experience in terms of speed and battery life with iOS 27 on the iPhone 13 so far? I have a 13 mini, and I still haven't gotten over the (perceived) shorter battery life with iOS 26.
gekoxyzabout 1 hour ago
I would say bettery is about the same of iOS 26, but mine is quite cooked (78% battery health) and I have to replace it.

Performance is for sure better. Not as much as I expected (I expected to notice it everyday), and I can't give you a number, but I remember that I noticed stuff being faster the first couple of days that I installed the beta, but now I got used to it

toxik9 minutes ago
I run iOS 18 and have no problems with my battery, it is at 73%. iPhone 14 Pro. Don't think I'm going to install 27 either.
petesergeantabout 2 hours ago
Upgrading the battery on my iPhone 12 Pro has been a fucking revelation. I just don't run out of battery any more. I'm sure Apple was telling me it was only 20% degraded or something too, but I would strongly, strongly recommend this if thinking about battery life is currently an issue for you.
benterixabout 2 hours ago
That could be a factor for sure, but this iOS upgrade basically broke mu iPhone as switching between apps got noticeably slower and sometimes the UI gets stuck for a second or two especially when switching between the camera and other apps. I'm so sorry I gave in and installed it.
thinkthatoverabout 1 hour ago
I think it's different for mini owners. I upgraded my battery in march of this year and its already at 89%, I blame ios26 frankly.
wastedpotencialabout 2 hours ago
Not updating from Sequoia until the Liquid Glass era is over.
GeekyBearabout 2 hours ago
They literally give you a new slider to increase or reduce the Liquid Glass effect to align with your personal preferences.
lynndotpyabout 1 hour ago
Just anecdotally, increasing the blur seems to have an associated performance cost, especially in Springboard ("the home screen".) It's probably only ~100ms for each interaction, so it probably won't impact latency-insensitive users.

As others have said, it helps with the legibility but Liquid Glass is still distracting and illegible. I share the wish that Apple eventually returns to a more sensible, legible UI.

Hamukoabout 2 hours ago
Unfortunately the slider does not fix Liquid Glass. Notifications are still unreadable even when you go full opaque. You need to also toggle Reduce Transparency to actually get the UI to be opaque enough to be readable.
GeekyBear17 minutes ago
That's certainly not what the reviews say:

> I’ve been happily using the totally frosted look (slider all the way to the right) for a few weeks now. While I didn’t mind Liquid Glass as much as other folks, the frosted setting ensures I can read and see the text, menus and icons properly.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/ive-been-usi...

teekertabout 1 hour ago
Jeez, it's an accessibility feature and they just turned it off!

I don't mind liquid glass and can handle the transparency mostly, but the notifications are just god-awful and difficult to read (white on light glass, using dark mode, who comes up with this stuff?).

But reducing transparency is a much harder setting now (should be "removing transparency"), I don't like it anymore, it also messes with the wallpaper. The previous setting was just right for me. Now the app squares are just black, very bad with dark icons.

anon7000about 2 hours ago
And fixed the dumb sidebar design
latexrabout 1 hour ago
You’ll probably be waiting around a decade, then (about the amount of time Apple has between these refreshes), and won’t be able to upgrade your Mac hardware (because they never support OSs older than what they ship with). For people developing for Apple platforms, there are even more restrictions.

All of that is fine, of course, just as long as you’re aware. I also hate Liquid Glass, but unfortunately don’t think I can avoid it for another year. I just hope that the stuff they rolled back makes it bearable.

wastedpotencialabout 1 hour ago
Still daily driving the 6s after almost 11 glorious years, and I can't imagine software ever being painfully slow on M series hardware. But if you need, well, are forced, to be on latest MacOS, then you are out of luck and you have my sympathy.

(My relatives iPhone updated and its just bad all around. And with increased font size for accessibility, elements don't cover all the text. Feels rushed and not the promised Apple land.)

archerx40 minutes ago
The 6s was great, I had mine until it literally came apart.
suprfnkabout 2 hours ago
It's really not that bad.
Cockbrandabout 2 hours ago
I agree, despite being quite the Liquid Glass hater at first. It has grown on me, and they have ironed out the worst kinks. I still don't love it, but it's great that we're getting a bit of three-dimensionality back, after all the ambiguity that comes with the flat design trend of the decade or so before Liquid Glass.
datadrivenangelabout 2 hours ago
but it's bad enough to be worth not upgrading.
baggy_troughabout 2 hours ago
The panic is overblown.
ndiddyabout 2 hours ago
The thing that I disliked the most about Tahoe is that they made light mode extremely bright, so it was a lot more uncomfortable to look at than Sequoia. I had to switch the computer to dark mode as a workaround. Did they fix this in Golden Gate or is light mode still too bright?
nicbouabout 2 hours ago
I just upgraded last week. For the most part, I really don't care. It was not a noticeable change.
AlexandrBabout 2 hours ago
It's fine on iOS, it's painful on macOS. The "squircle jail" is one of the worst design crimes Apple has shipped in a long time and another step back for Mac iconography.
bigyabaiabout 2 hours ago
...relative to what, Windows 11?
thatmfabout 1 hour ago
I would typically never install a .0 release, but as an 18 holdout who begrudgingly had to finally "upgrade" to 26, I have to say 27 really is an improvement. The egregious bugs are gone. Safari is usable again. You can pretty much disable liquid glass. It feels faster. This is all I really wanted.
Sir_Twistabout 1 hour ago
Having updated from macOS 15 to 27, I think this is one of my favorite macOS releases in a while. macOS 27 is what I think each update should be: one, maybe two, major new features, and a ton of little tweaks and improvements everywhere. Not a bunch of new features that end up never getting touched for a decade, slowly getting worse over time. Hopefully the positive reception (at least, that I’ve seen) encourages Apple to do more future updates like this.
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int32_64about 2 hours ago
26GB for an update is pretty steep considering their base macs are still on 256GB SSDs.
maelitoabout 1 hour ago
How depressing this first demo video about mum, grandma and the fruits.

These are basic things of our lives that make us humans : caring about others, remembering what they say, knowing how to recognize a fruit, enjoying colors of the fruits with your eyes, not through your retina display, thinking about the food recipes that we know.

I don't know if this is because I'm european and the gap keeps getting larger across the Atlantic, but what a depressing life those giants are telling us here.

dd8601fnabout 1 hour ago
You’re mad that Siri was asked to find a recipe in an email and add its items to a grocery list?

That doesn’t sound like a cultural divide issue.

arximboldi19 minutes ago
I went to see the video expecting to agree with you, but actually I agree with the parent poster.

The video comes off as she doesn't care about her mom, or the recipe, or cooking, and the person doesn't even know what a peach is. The tone in which she says "what did mom mention...", as if she's clearly distracted thinking about something else, probably her busy NY job, and just have AI deal with this annoyance of family as fast as possible... plus she needs AI to read the email and tell her which peaches to get? I dunno, read the email and interpret it yourself, you probably know your mom better than Siri? And call your mom in case of doubt? Maybe I'm too Spanish... but it felt quite dystopian...

nicbouabout 2 hours ago
That's all I want! A not-completely-useless Siri, and performance/quality of life improvements.

MacOS is fine. For the most part it gets out of my way. However I have a laundry list of small issues that have been there since my first Mac in 2012. I wish there was a Department of Details to fix those little snags in the user experience.

Agingcoderabout 2 hours ago
I don’t want a new screen time experience , I just want it to work. Much to my surprise, it’s extraordinarily brittle, to such an extent that it’s virtually useless.
jhickokabout 2 hours ago
As a parent of kids with iThings, the parental controls/screen time experience is incredibly bad. I have no idea why they are not interested in having it work.
alex_suzukiabout 1 hour ago
100% agree. We had to turn it off because it was too frustrating for everyone involve. Now we’re at “trust, but verify” where “verify” is looking at Screen Time stats at the end of each week.

My only plausible explanation is that no one who works at Apple has kids.

samenameabout 1 hour ago
The more time kids spend on the device, the more revenue Apple generates. They don’t have any incentive for it to really work.
jjiceabout 3 hours ago
Updated a bit ago to give Siri AI a go for some basic stuff I've been wanting it to do with personal context. It had some false positives in there, but it's notably better now, pretty fast, and handled context well. It allows you to see where it got the context from, which is great considering that doesn't sound like a very Apple thing to do.
chronogamousabout 2 hours ago
Still on iPadOS 18.7.8 on a 9th generation iPad out of fear for performance degradation of ProCreate using an Apple Pencil on iPadOS 26. Considering the size of this update, I fear iPadOS 27 might equally wreck my workflow.
GeekyBearabout 2 hours ago
I'm looking forward to trying out Safaris new ability to vibe code extensions that will modify websites to remove annoyances.

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2026/08/27/build-safari-extens...

For developers, there is a new framework (Core AI), that updates the decade old Core ML framework.

> Core AI allows your app to use the latest model architectures and inference techniques across the CPU, GPU, and Neural Engine.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/coreai

drbsclabout 2 hours ago
I wish they allowed iCloud subscribers with older hardware to use cloud-only Siri AI.

I imagine they wouldn't shift as much hardware that way though.

standevenabout 2 hours ago
Same. Siri has been so bad for so long, and this announcement gave me a brief glimmer of hope that it would finally get better. However, every phone in my family is a 15 or older, and there is no support for our newer HomePod either. Boooooo Apple, booooo.
drbsclabout 2 hours ago
Yeah, the 15 owners got hosed badly by it, especially since they were marketing it as the "AI iPhone" when it launched.

Personally, new Siri is the only reason to upgrade from 13 Pro, and it's just not worth the money to bother.

jsphweidabout 2 hours ago
Nice. Can't wait for all my binaries to suddenly stop building.
VCFundedGenYer28 minutes ago
I'd normally suggest waiting till a .1 release, but 26 was such a disaster that I might forego this advice.
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LUmBULtERAabout 2 hours ago
Anyone else accidentally upgrade to 26.7 first?
BugsJustFindMe23 minutes ago
In moments like this I kind of assume that I should do 26.7 first because probably they test incremental transitions more thoroughly? I wish I had more faith in software updates.
xenaabout 2 hours ago
I did that too! The update servers are hammered as is tradition.
LUmBULtERAabout 2 hours ago
Things are or were labeled wrong... I clicked a button for "upgrade to iOS 27" but then follow up dialogue is talking about upgrading to 26.7. When supposedly I'm already running 26.7. It's very weird.
dd8601fnabout 1 hour ago
It did both. I didn’t get offered 26.7 until noon. I did it. Then it offered 27. I did it. But instead it showed that it was updating to… 26.7.

Except when it was complete it actually had done 27.

Lots and lots of Reddit posts with the same bug. It’s not just you… Apple botched the meta that shows during the 27 upgrade.

Good news is the upgrade worked fine.

cluelessabout 1 hour ago
same, I saw the exact same weird transition from 27 -> 26.7... def seems like a bug
Bondi_Blueabout 2 hours ago
Are they no longer publishing the complete feature list PDFs for each OS? E.g. https://www.apple.com/os/pdf/All_New_Features_iOS_26_Sept_20...
Y-barabout 1 hour ago
For the first time in years I will upgrade early. Apple Support required me to update to iOS 26 back in November or else they refused to troubleshoot an iCloud issue. The issue remains to this day and I regularly regret upgrading. But it seems many things about the interface has improved. Hoping for the best now.
teekertabout 1 hour ago
Hmm, got the liquid glass slider, put it all the way to the right, but still lost a lot of contrast in my notifications...
microflash26 minutes ago
Yeah, I did the same but found the experience worse. Currently I've set it at 75% where it is tolerable.
teekert17 minutes ago
What happened is that the accessibility setting “reduce transparency” which indeed used to reduce transparency and made glass backgrounds darker, now makes them fully black. So dark icons don’t come out of the background anymore. What we got back is a slider that does not make the glass darker, just more opaque. But notifications are still white on light glass. So it really got worse for me.
hmokiguess12 minutes ago
I tried Siri AI a few times and it keeps disappointing me, it will suggest something like "Would you like me to open <APP> for you and <DO THE THING> next?", then I go and prompt "Yes." and it replies with "Sorry, I don't understand."
maaandabout 2 hours ago
Did they remove the rounded corners mess?
stevenhubertronabout 2 hours ago
Not entirely but its ALOT better then it was.
ksecabout 2 hours ago
People who are still on Chrome as main browser should seriously try Safari 27. Compatibility greatly improved, super speedy.

Although for some reason the AI organise tab option is not showing up on me.

deweyabout 2 hours ago
I wish they would improve the extension support in Safari. I'm on Safari full time but I always dread the moment I have to install an extension. If the extension even exists (Firefox / Chrome is easy, so developers always do that and they don't have to pay Apple a fee) download some app, then click some button to open Safari settings, then enable the extension there, then give it permissions in the Safari menu bar. Horrible UX.
GeekyBearabout 2 hours ago
> I wish they would improve the extension support in Safari.

They added the ability to vibe code your own custom extensions in this version.

doublepg23about 2 hours ago
On Safari I use

- Wipr (Ad Blocker)

- 1Password (Password Manager)

- Dark Mode HN (HN dark mode hack.)

Not really sure what else I need tbh

deweyabout 2 hours ago
I use 1Password, RSS Button (To highlight if the page has a feed, so I can subscribe with my own Miniflux instance), 1Blocker (Ad blocking), Tampermonkey for loading userscripts on some websites, Readdeck extension to easily send something to my "read later" pile. It's not a lot of them, but every time I want to test a new one I dread it.
elektorabout 1 hour ago
Just a heads up, you can have dark mode on every website on iOS Safari with Dark Reader: https://darkreader.org/
petesergeantabout 2 hours ago
Feels like the perfect thing to vibe-code based on existing FF/Chrome extensions? Decent agent should make pretty light work of it.
deweyabout 2 hours ago
That gives you the extension, but the workflow within macOS for users is still very user hostile. Problem with extensions might be that the training data isn't that great as there's not that many open source Safari extensions.
tensorabout 1 hour ago
Still waiting for them to allow me to use any search provider I want (e.g. Kagi).
doublepg23about 2 hours ago
When I switched to macOS in '22 I went to Safari from Firefox and I don't think I've run into a single compatibility issue.
jmuguyabout 2 hours ago
Does uBlock Origin (or something equivalent) work in Safari?
fady0about 2 hours ago
There’s an official Safari version [1], but it’s more like a toy compared to Firefox.

[1]https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269...

jhickokabout 2 hours ago
The standard answer is Wipr but nothing is as good as uBlock Origin imo. It's passable enough that I daily drive Safari now.
nick_33 minutes ago
AdGuard as well.
minimaxirabout 3 hours ago
Safari does in fact feel snappier.
thih9about 1 hour ago
Is battery life of the new iOS version comparable to pre iOS 26?

If not, I’m staying at iOS 18.

lexojabout 2 hours ago
My iPad 2021 10.2" was flawless but some weeks ago it was updated to iOS26 by mistake and it became so slow on basic stuff (like showing the keyboard). Made me terrified of doing any upgrades
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canbus40 minutes ago
Can I disable apple intelligence on macOS?
mmmlinuxabout 1 hour ago
I only just spotted that the AirPods Pro 3 can do heart rate monitoring. That's some amazing miniaturization.
deweyabout 2 hours ago
I was surprised to see that macOS is 28GB. Is that all the local models that come with it?
ecshaferabout 2 hours ago
Can this AI integration now mean that Siri can finally just read the wikipedia page of a topic when I am driving? Or can I finally have Siri add a stop at Mcdonalds on google maps during a road trip?
ezfeabout 2 hours ago
Adding a stop at McDonalds on Google Maps won't necessarily work unless Google provides the hooks to accomplish that.

But yes, it can give you information on a topic in a way the old Siri couldn't.

delillosabout 3 hours ago
Are they still using Gemini? Curious to see how fast all these AI features will feel.
jjiceabout 2 hours ago
I believe it's a Gemini derived model that they are running on isolated hardware. So it's not the same servers as Gemini and thus will have potentially different performance.
ezfeabout 2 hours ago
They've never used Gemini, and they are not using Gemini here. Gemini and Siri AI are both based on Google technology though.
rwzabout 1 hour ago
I've just installed macOS 27 on my personal laptop and I'm losing my mind. My OrbStack app is now permanently stuck in Dock showing as "Running in Background"

There appears to be no way to keep it from the Dock without actually killing it or disallowing the "Running in Background" permission for it.

This is the stupidest forced opt-in feature I've ever seen.

phantomathkgabout 2 hours ago
I wonder if Apple have fixed the issue where the user want the Siri to use a different language than the UI language.
pmkaryabout 1 hour ago
Why not series 8 apple why not?
jasonvorheabout 1 hour ago
macOS 27 ade my M2 MBA feel like new. Tahoe just felt a lot less responsive most of the time.
bingemakerabout 2 hours ago
Upgraded just now. Went pretty smooth!
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ChrisMarshallNYabout 2 hours ago
WatchOS, too. Not tvOS, though.
krttherealestabout 1 hour ago
siri is kinda useless nowadays imo
hintymadabout 2 hours ago
Finally Apple has a screen time that allows different configurations for different time segments. What took them so long? /j
theplumberabout 2 hours ago
Can the new AI browse the web?
prymitiveabout 2 hours ago
Is it just me or is clicking “iOS 27” on iPhone showing upgrade screen for 26.7?
jjthebluntabout 2 hours ago
same. and at the bottom it says "Also Available : iOS 27" with a button which leads right back to iOS 26.7.
syncabout 1 hour ago
Same, but I clicked it, awaited the update, and I'm on iOS 27 proper now-- so just a visual bug.
jawilson2about 1 hour ago
> just a visual bug.

Out of the gate, that isn't a good sign.

gregrobsonabout 2 hours ago
Same here. Will upgrade and hopefully 27 will show up!
prymitiveabout 2 hours ago
If it does then do much for focus on quality in this release…
owlkeeniiabout 2 hours ago
Same here. It’s over 5 GB, therefore is not 26.7. Upgrading, let’s see.
bronco21016about 2 hours ago
Having exact same experience as of 2:11p EDT.
xlaynabout 3 hours ago
Can we please have a 1 release focus on fixing bugs? not more ai but fixing bugs, 1 release where you can disable AI... 1 release to make it faster again, 1 release to polish... not to push the next "game changing UI design..."

the "upgrade to 18.4" took my iphone to 26.whatever and siri got even worst... siri set an alarm for 10:40 (creates one at 12:08)... NO, delete that one, 10 40 (does nothing)... hey siri... (ajum), delete the previous alarm... (done!) now set an alarm at 10:40 (alarm at 4pm....)... eventually you get tired... you go to the alarms app.. and then there is the previous "deleted" alarm and the other one...

moralestapiaabout 3 hours ago
I'll stay w/ Sequoia as long as I can.
dagi3dabout 2 hours ago
I definitely wanted to skip Tahoe by any means and was reluctant about this new version. I recently installed it because the wm I was using (omniwm) wasn't compatible with Tahoe anymore so I had to choose. I have to say it has been completely usable to me after reducing the liquid glass thing as much as the system allows.
gekoxyzabout 2 hours ago
I am currently on Sonoma and I was considering to upgrade to get the things that I missed in these years. I think and hope that macOS 27 will be faster wrt Sonoma...
lukiferabout 2 hours ago
Same. In addition to UX regression, we’re two major revs in, there’s nothing that’s a compelling enough value-add to be worth the trade-off, let alone the risk of unexpected side effects on any OS upgrade.

On my Xcode dev machine, I’ll be biting the bullet soon out of necessity, but my personal machine will stay Sequoia until they course-correct on “style over substance” (and not holding my breath).

cyberaxabout 2 hours ago
Can I have my square corners back, please? And while you're at it, add sorting by alphabet in the WiFi networks list. Maybe even a filter field (I know, too advanced, but hey...)

And perhaps make the "System Settings" window scalable horizontally?

No? OK, I'll skip.

asimovDevabout 2 hours ago
you can add square corners with a terminal command afaik https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/want-the-bigger-window-...
Hamukoabout 2 hours ago
Updated my iPad to iPadOS 27 and disabled Reduce Transparency because I figured that they’ve fixed Liquid Glass.

The notifications on the lock screen are still completely unreadable. What the fuck is Apple doing?

Can’t even be happy about the bug fixes because my biggest one, Spotlight not getting keyboard focus when you use it, is still present.

prymitiveabout 1 hour ago
27 got the slider so I though: finally I can turn it off even more. Turns out the max value of the slider is what toggling “less Liquid Glass please” was already doing in 26. But at the same time they modified it and now it somehow looks eee worse? I don’t know whst they did but it’s just looking less readable, at least in dark mode.

And the worse thing about LG is the floating bottom nav bar that keeps shrinking to an icon when you least expect it, moving all elements.

tensorabout 1 hour ago
MacOS 26 forced me to give up spotlight for Raycast. It would do this thing where new delayed results would steal highlight focus so hitting the enter button to select something from the list became a lottery. Would you select the thing you see or would something else replace it in the time you press the button.

I use Raycast now and it's 1000x better simply because it actually selects the highlighted thing.

awestrokeabout 3 hours ago
New Siri is not available in the EU. And no plans to change that.

I'll probably switch to Android once my phone and watch batteries degrade enough to annoy me

kstrauserabout 2 hours ago
There's approximately zero chance Google would go along with the changes that Apple would have had to make to support EU's DMA.
albumenabout 2 hours ago
As a European, and Apple household: no new iPhone Duo, Watch or iPhone 18 Pro Max purchases in this house until Apple desists with its malicious campaign to break the DMA. I'll get by fine with other AI products in the meantime.
theshrike79about 2 hours ago
You do know that Google is fighting the same DMA rules as Apple?

They need to similarly make Gemini hot-swappable to anything on Android and don't want to.

Apple was just first because they're a bigger and more visible target.

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lenerdenatorabout 3 hours ago
I take it this is the one that tosses out Rosetta 2 on macOS?
bayindirhabout 2 hours ago
Nope, that's macOS 28.

> Rosetta is available for any Mac with Apple silicon using macOS 27 or earlier. Starting with macOS 28, the next major macOS release, Rosetta functionality will be available only for certain older, unmaintained games that rely on Intel-based frameworks.

Sauce: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102527

asimovDevabout 2 hours ago
i wonder if M7 will not have elements in it that help with x86 to ARM on the fly translation that M1 had now that macOS 27 and beyond is ARM only with no Rosetta
bayindirhabout 2 hours ago
I bet it will, because cross-platform virtualization and containerization is a boon for Apple. Also, Rosetta will stay for older programs (esp. games) and some Intel specific frameworks per Apple's docs.

I bet with all the transistor count increase, that circuitry is a blip.

andykellrabout 2 hours ago
The warning dialog I received the other day while running macOS 27 Beta said that it will be removed in macOS 28.
yieldcrvabout 2 hours ago
I’m adding representation to an issue that I hope is fixed:

for the last couple months I’ve been able to record videos and watch those videos but am unable to share them, whether on instagram, whatsapp, airdrop or imessage. some limited luck saving the same video to the file system and sharing from there

searching this issue is notoriously difficult, and there is one partially related thread on Apple support forums talking about spacial h264 and spacial h265 video codecs further complicated by being wrappers, with something suggesting the latter is the issue, the final post having a bewildered user asking for clarification that the iphone can create videos that even it cant use

I looked in my camera settings and there are soooo many switches and file formats now, that its impossible to know which edge case has been run into, and there’s no reset button to put the settings back to their most compatible

I hope this OS refresh fixed that

note, this only affects some videos and the common denominator is not obvious. all videos are recent and made in the same timespan. some are sharable some are not

ezfeabout 2 hours ago
> unable to share them

What does "unable" mean?

yieldcrvabout 2 hours ago
on instagram, tapping the thumbnail has no user feedback and is never selected

on whatsapp, tapping the same video thumbnail results in a "preparing media" modal that never ends, until pressing cancel

on airdrop, a similar preparing model appears that never makes any progress and only has a cancel button

on imessage, tapping the same video thumbnail results in a circular progress bar overlay, as if it was downloading it from icloud, except it never finishes and was never in icloud

unable

spankaleeabout 2 hours ago
So if you don't want to use Apple's AI, this brings... faster app launching on iOS? I guess I'll use the Liquid Glass controls, but otherwise this is a dud.
armadylabout 2 hours ago
> Otherwise this is a dud

This comment is a dud. The whole point of this update was to focus on fixing bugs and improving stability. They literally rewrote the CPU scheduler to improve UI performance. Safari UI and page rendering is no longer shit compared to how it was on iPadOS 26. There’s an insane amount of under the hood changes for this release, something people have been asking for them to do for a while — focus on making things run better instead of adding endless new half baked features.

Updates don’t always have to bring shiny, flashy new features. Holy shit.

spankaleeabout 2 hours ago
The linked page is 90% AI and not much about stability. If "the whole point of this update was to focus on fixing bugs and improving stability" they don't say so, so excuse me for not knowing that.

If it's a stability release, then great! But that's not what they're saying. Stability is mentioned once regarding search only. Performance has a very small sub-section half way down the page. Where do they mention the CPU scheduler rewrite, or any of the under-the-hood changes you're talking about? You seem to expect people to know about these things from somewhere else.

minimaxirabout 2 hours ago
Snow Leopard was one of the most celebrated Mac OS X updates for a reason.