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legitster•about 1 hour ago
My parents live in a massive fruit growing region of the country. Just this year, 2 of the major packing firms in the county both declared bankruptcy. It's not just the trade war, but years of shrinking seasonal workers that fell off to a trickle as well.

The knock on effect is massive. The seasonal workers supported a large permanent workforce - and more importantly tax revenues in the county are collapsing.

But the really important thing to understand is that once the industry is gone, it's gone for a long time. The other markets competing with the US are already expanding their industries to fill the void. Once those trees are planted, they produce fruit for several decades to come.

randycupertino•about 2 hours ago
- Tariffs so less international demand for US wine

- Canadian boycots of US products due to tariff wars

- Boomer wine buyers dying off

- younger generations drinking less overall and being less into wine

- everyone on GLP-1s drinking less

ortusdux•about 2 hours ago
- Legal pot
reactordev•about 2 hours ago
- The economy
philipallstar•about 1 hour ago
> - Tariffs so less international demand for US wine

Why's this?

legitster•about 1 hour ago
I feel like this is a trolling question. Demand for US exports has never been lower in recent history.
neom•about 2 hours ago
Wasn't SGMA always the big long term problem for them anyway? I recall reading some time ago many are looking to pivot to solar farms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Groundwater_Manage...

thot_experiment•about 2 hours ago
I can't believe the leopards would eat MY face.
ncphillips•about 2 hours ago
Oh no

Anyways

driverdan•about 2 hours ago
> Third-generation grower Bill Berryhill said it means another year of losing money and wasting hundreds of tons of healthy grapes.

The article fails to mention that Bill Berryhill is a former Republican state rep, from a family of Republican politicians, likely a Trump supporter, and therefore a supporter of Trump's Canadian policies. Now he wants to complain when it impacts him.

gonight•about 2 hours ago
Finding the hidden "leopards ate MY face!?" in 2026's news stories has become my latest hobby.
legitster•about 1 hour ago
Even if that slippery slope logic were true, the vast vast vast majority of farmers in the country are some flavor of conservative. It would be hard to ignore all of them and also care about our food supply.
twright•about 1 hour ago
I think OP was more pointing out a supreme irony with the farmer demographic. They rely heavily on seasonal immigrant labor yet they voted for immigrants to be rounded up and forbidden to enter the US. Their sales rely on exports (e.g. soybeans) and imports (tractor parts, fertilizer) yet they voted for a complete upending of the global trade system that benefitted them. So that they are complaining about the current economic climate while simultaneously politically being fully behind it is schadenfreude for many.
legitster•33 minutes ago
This is an unhelpful generalization.

Both political parties are made up of constituent cohorts. All Republicans are not anti-immigrant, anti-trade junkies in the same way all Democrats are not anti-work socialists. I think you'll find farmers in particular are generally much more pro-trade and pro-immigrant than the rest of the party.

The story is these farmers voted for Trump despite him tilting against their best interest. But the reality is they probably put up with his views on immigration and trade hoping they would be more than offset by his views on land use and tax policy (and have been sorely mistaken).

I know that people really want to make schadenfreude out of this But when the shoe is on the other foot and Republicans make these same kind of ad hominem attacks they equally fall flat. No, just because someone voted for Joe Biden doesn't make them a police-hating communist.

apparent•about 1 hour ago
Which policy related to Canada is affecting the grape business? I didn't see it referenced, and assumed that since it's being described as a trend over 3 years then it's not just about tariffs.
jleyank•36 minutes ago
Us alcohol products unavailable in most of Canada. So there’s a fair bit of export gone missing. And European response is probably reducing demand for us product in favour of their own.
programmertote•about 2 hours ago
Not sure how the extra supply for grapes affect retail prices of grapes for regular consumption. But at Costco in Southern CA, the price of grapes have been fairly stable (~$5.99 - $7.99) over the last year or a little more.
Starman_Jones•about 1 hour ago
California’s wine grapes (vitis vinifera) aren’t suitable for eating. Some varieties (vitis labrusca) can be used for table grapes or wine grapes, but those aren’t really grown in California.
iharuya•about 1 hour ago
I don't mean to dismiss wine as something people can appreciate almost like art, but sometimes the pricing does feel a little absurd.

I once had a red from Franciscan, made from a vineyard right next to Opus One. To me it tasted remarkably similar, yet it cost more than 30x less.

1970-01-01•about 2 hours ago
If demand is down globally, sell the land already. People will do everything except the hardest thing.
rayiner•about 1 hour ago
We shouldn’t be farming things in California.
OkayPhysicist•about 1 hour ago
Huh? We've got the best farmland in the US, possibly the world. It'd be a terrible shame not to take advantage of it.
rayiner•21 minutes ago
It has no water. That’s why it was worthless to Mexico before the U.S. annexed it and the Army Corps of Engineers terraformed it.
jleyank•37 minutes ago
Bit short of water, though…
Teknomadix•34 minutes ago
No, that's Colorado.
dumpHero2•about 1 hour ago
why not?
vehemenz•about 1 hour ago
I’ll believe it when wine prices go down. Prove it!
toomuchtodo•about 2 hours ago
If you’re a domestic US wine lover, now is a great time to be buying if you have the space to store it.
JumpCrisscross•about 2 hours ago
:D

That said, American wine—and California wine in particular—has a bit of an IPA problem inasmuch as there is a lot of overpriced, overproduced swill being priced exceptionally high by international standards.

_jwr•34 minutes ago
It is incredibly difficult to sustainably run a winery in California. The margins are often negative without operating at a large scale, which is part of why the industry has consolidated heavily over the past few decades.

Often times, wealthy people buy wineries as a hobby to dabble in, but end up selling and calling it a day before it drains their cash. If you want to buy wine for cheap that is made in California, buy mass-market wine.

Smaller brands are generally expensive because that price is necessary to sustain operations, but most of the time that fails, and the owners end up selling.

alistairSH•about 2 hours ago
Not just American wine... wines from any region have always been more expensive in the US.

Quick poking around Google... Italy, France, and Germany all have mid-tier bottles of their own domestic wine for far less than we (in the US) get any wine, domestic or import.

toomuchtodo•about 2 hours ago
I get the swill at a discount :) "The best wine is the wine you like best." Best deal I recently got was a few hundred bottles for under $1k, <$5/bottle. Easier than the trek to a Trader Joe's or Costco, ymmv (and I don't feel bad throwing a bottle out if it isn't for me, versus a $100+ bottle).
nkrisc•about 2 hours ago
Sounds like a great deal, but that’s quite a lot of space required to store them, no?
Ancalagon•about 2 hours ago
Do you just buy barrels at that point?
vrosas•about 2 hours ago
I feel for the wine growers, but as an avid wine consumer I'm looking forward to better deals.
EPWN3D•about 1 hour ago
I haven't noticed any retail wine prices stabilizing or decreasing, at least in the Bay Area. Napa wines are still exorbitantly priced, and imports are way the fuck more expensive due to tariffs.
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shmoil•about 2 hours ago
"Coca farmers are struggling to sell cocaine".

Grow more table grapes? Here in "Northern America" I haven't seen grapes on sale the whole summer, not even once.

lukeify•about 2 hours ago
You realise to grow table grapes, you need to rip out the current vines you have right?
EdwardDiego•about 2 hours ago
Wine grapes are rather nice to eat (at least the ones I've tried), but they're typically smaller than American table grapes I've experienced, but hey, sell them as heirloom varieties at Portland farmers markets maybe?
bigwheels•about 2 hours ago
This is a totally different variety of grape compared to what they're setup to grow now.

I was thinking along the same vein, though - what about special varieties of grape juice?

It is objectively good if demand for alcohol goes down.

neom•about 2 hours ago
It's gonna be quite a lot of additional surplus, and, they already do this. Surplus wine grapes get sold to concentrate makers, however, it pays less than it costs to grow them because concentrate is basically a commodity sweetener competing with sugar, corn syrup, and apple concentrate. Bottled grape juice is a small and shrinking market, and in that market, most people expect Concord flavour (these aren't that), plus a lot of bottled juice is reconstituted from that same commodity concentrate anyway.
ScoobleDoodle•about 2 hours ago
Yes! I don't drink alcohol but have gone wine tasting with friends and one vineyard had grape juice from some of their grapes and it was interesting and yummy.

An interesting variety of grape juices would be very cool.

onlypassingthru•about 1 hour ago
NA grape soda made from wine varietals is a niche product you can find in some wine producing regions here in the US and usually fairly expensive for a soda. All of the ones I've tried are pretty tasty, tough!
dylan604•about 2 hours ago
Why put something on sale when it is selling just fine at the current rates?
shmoil•about 2 hours ago
I guess I am an outlier, I did not have any grapes until September, when Ontario grapes became available.

It did not feel right to buy murican grapes at full price in the middle of the summer.

SwellJoe•about 2 hours ago
While I enjoy a glass of wine every now and then, I'm not going to lament the decline of an industry producing alcoholic products; it's inarguably good that younger generations are drinking less. Sorry to the farmers, but profiting off of increasing public health risk maybe should be a precarious business. I'm not gonna get upset about tobacco farms shutting down or having to switch crops, and alcohol is just another addictive and harmful substance (I've known more people who died due to alcohol than any other substance, one in a drunk driving accident, one due to liver failure, two were alcoholics who died by suicide...can't be certain it was the alcohol, but addiction certainly didn't help their situation).

But, also, the income of younger generations has been crushed so much, the ones that do still drink can't afford expensive luxury booze. Decent wine is an expensive way to drink alcohol.