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kyriakoselabout 3 hours ago
Author here. Methodology upfront because I'd ask the same things:

Data: daily records from wearable users who logged sauna sessions via connected apps. Within-person design — each user is their own control, comparing their own sauna-day nights against their own non-sauna-day nights. No cross-user comparisons.

Stats: paired t-tests, FDR-corrected p < 0.05, Cohen's d > 0.2 threshold for "meaningful effect." Anything below d=0.2 we don't report as a finding.

What we measured: minimum nighttime HR, max and average HR, HRV, activity minutes and distance, menstrual cycle phase (for female subset).

What we found: - On sauna days, minimum nighttime HR drops ~3 bpm (~5%) vs. the same user's non-sauna days. - Effect survives controlling for activity level. It's not "sauna users just exercised more that day." - Strongest hypothesis: elevated parasympathetic tone from the post-sauna cooling phase carries into sleep. Consistent with heat-stress physiology literature. - Sex difference: for women, the nighttime HR effect only crosses the d > 0.2 threshold during the luteal phase. No meaningful effect during the follicular phase. We didn't expect this; worth replicating.

What we can't control for: - Sauna type (dry / infrared / steam), duration, temperature. Not captured. - Dose-response. We don't know session length per user. - Timing of sauna relative to sleep. - Reverse causation: people may sauna on days they already feel recovered. - Selection: wearable users who bother logging sauna are a health-conscious cohort.

What surprised us: the effect is larger than what we see for comparable-intensity exercise days. If you treat nighttime HR as a parasympathetic recovery signal, sauna beats a moderate workout on the same user. Not what I'd have predicted.

bluGillabout 3 hours ago
The most important thing you didn't measure: does this affect long term health in the same way exercise it known to. That is can I put a TV in my sauna and watch that for an hour every day instead of getting out and exercising - yet get the same better long term health outcomes?

My current guess is no. That is this improves a marker for good health without improving health. However this is a guess by someone who isn't in the medical field and so could be wrong.

pegasus6 minutes ago
Since you mention the TV, it seems there's a big factor missing in both the article and the discussion here. Namely, that sauna time is for many people the only time they ever take to be in silence, without the countless distractions otherwise bombarding our nervous systems. I.e. it's basically a form of informal meditation, which is known to have a lot of benefic impacts on body and mind. So maybe skip the TV part?...
nsbkabout 2 hours ago
I recently listened to a podcast about the benefits of sauna or deliberate heat exposure and the gist is that if you get your core temperature at about 39 degrees celsius your cardiovascular system is working comparably hard to light exercise.

My take is that your heart and lungs are working out, even if your body is not. Do you get the same benefits as going for a run or bike ride for a comparable amount of time? no, since your limbs don't get fit, but your heart and lungs do.

mminer237about 2 hours ago
Edit: I posted this accidentally when editing without noticing. Hypertrophy isn't necessarily a bad thing. I thought I was discarding the comment cuz I realized I was out of my depth. whoops

Please ignore my comment, though I will leave it to make the below comments less confusing.

Original: You don't want to "work out" your heart though. Cardiac hypertrophy is a bad thing.

The benefit of exercise is that your muscles become more oxygen-efficient. Your heart endures some stress now, so that it can work less in the future.

shmelabout 1 hour ago
Not saying you are wrong, but I'd like to see some evidence on that. Just because your heart is pumping faster doesn't mean your cardio fitness is getting better. Otherwise we could all just snort cocaine and skip the gym. Alcohol does that too, anyone with a fitness tracker can check that.
jjallen22 minutes ago
My current guess is that you get much or most of the benefits, but not all (by both value and number). If you look at the actual changes in the body during both of these activities, most are the same as exercise, but not all.

For example: body temp increases, heart rate increases, and we sweat. But the muscles aren't "engaged", consuming stuff (glycogen, etc.) while doing sauna.

There could also be sauna benefits that exercise does not impart, or is less likely to do so: sweating greater than exercise could lead to excess excretion of plastics, carcinogens, etc.

Running in mild/cold temps we do little sweating (unless long duration exercise), whereas every darn sauna at sufficiently high temps we are going to be sweating.

kyriakoselabout 3 hours ago
Agreed - one is muscular/metabolic demand, the other (sauna) is thermoregulation.

Agreed on the long-term effect too: doing a study on long term health is a completely different story

HelloMcFlyabout 2 hours ago
> That is this improves a marker for good health without improving health

There is a substantial body of existing research to peruse about the impact of regular sauna use on health outcomes, much of it from Finland given the prevalence of sauna usage there allowing for larger sample sizes. It's a body of evidence rather than one knock-out experimental design.

gjulianmabout 2 hours ago
Much of that body of evidence relies on self-reported and self-assigned sauna usage rather than actual randomized trials, and also the papers show massive risk reductions that do not really fit with the country-level data (e.g., if saunas are that good for cardiovascular health and finns use them that much, why do they have similar rates of CV disease as neighboring countries that don't use that much sauna?)
lfullerabout 2 hours ago
This feels like a false dichotomy. Even if sauna doesn't impact long term health in a way that can replace exercise, that doesn't mean that it doesn't improve health.
nyjahabout 2 hours ago
Zero shot you'd make it an hour in a proper sauna for an hour. People have this idea that saunas are always enjoyable. I sauna daily, and its nice up to a point. For me thats like 10-12mins in. From then on, its tough.
tuukkahabout 2 hours ago
When it doesn't feel enjoyable anymore, you're supposed to get out of the sauna and cool down - preferably in a lake. Then repeat as many times as you like.
iammjmabout 2 hours ago
I go for 15 min sessions at 90 Celsius and the first 10 mins are ok, the last 5 are tough, like I have to control my breath to hang in there
httpsterioabout 1 hour ago
Huh what? I can easily sit in a sauna for an hour without breaks as long as it has some type of ventilation.

Smoke saunas a bit less, electric or wood stove saunas no issue. It's nice to take a breather once in a while but I'd honestly have no issues sitting in a 80-90 deg sauna for an hour as long as I have enough to drink with me.

One time I sat in the sauna for six hours with a few breaks between with a group of friends shooting the shit. I had a headache the next morning but I blame it on the Jallu and not the sauna.

bluGillabout 2 hours ago
I generally make it about 30 seconds in a sauna (I rarely even bother trying when I have access). Should I tough it out for 10-12 like you? Should you be toughing it out for the full hour I suggested (a random time I pulled out of my head)? Or is this all nonsense and I'm just fine ignoring the whole thing?
trklausssabout 2 hours ago
You are clearly not Finn (/s)
ricardobayesabout 2 hours ago
My take is probably too nuanced here, but the reality is that we don't know. People living in areas with longevity (blue zones), didn't really excercise (as in sports) or take multivitamins. For all we know, it might even come out that regular, gym-style excercise is even worse for longevity.

Nordic people tend to live a long life even though they historically didn't have access to fresh vegetables or fruit and brutal winters (and darkness) prohibited excercise.

ps. I'm not arguing that excercise is unhealthy, it's just that its contribution to eventual longevity, is currently unknown. Whereas anectodal evidence of saunas (being around longer than "excercise"), seems to work.

RankingMemberabout 2 hours ago
> I'm not arguing that excercise is unhealthy, it's just that its contribution to eventual longevity, is currently unknown

I see numerous studies indicating that exercise contributes directly to eventual longevity, e.g.:

https://www.ama-assn.org/public-health/prevention-wellness/m...

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2025/07/02...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3395188/

trklausssabout 2 hours ago
For all we know, there is a link between cardiac/circulatory problems and arteriosclerosis (that is, loss of elasticity of the vessels).

So it could be that exercise helps keep this elasticity, the same way maybe sauna does? Also antioxidants from vegetables etc.

So it could be that it is a _factor_, but definitely needs way more study.

I am also not in the medical field, but I think arteriosclerosis is a well known link for cardiovascular disease.

somebodythereabout 2 hours ago
There is some evidence suggesting that "blue zones" are largely about pension fraud. https://fortune.com/europe/2024/12/14/are-blue-zones-myth-ex...
brushfootabout 2 hours ago
> People living in areas with longevity (blue zones), didn't really excercise (as in sports)

Not exercising as in sports and not exercising, period, are very different. If you look at the American blue zone, those people are certainly exercising; daily nature walks are baked into their theology.

bluGillabout 2 hours ago
Problem is sauna use and genetic factors corrolate too strongly to make any conclusion to the broader population. If you live in/near Finland you likely sauna often, as have all your ancestors for thousands of years. If you don't live there both are false. Thus we can't know if Sauna is helpful for the general population who isn't of a Finish background.
bwestergardabout 2 hours ago
The "blue-zone" studies are flawed, so we shouldn't infer too much from lifestyle generalizations about people in them.

https://www.science.org/content/article/do-blue-zones-suppos...

idiotsecant23 minutes ago
Saunas have not been around longer than exercise.
z3t4about 2 hours ago
I think that if you have one hour or more of free time and live in an area where you have easy access to a sauna, that would result in significant better health on it's own. Even if you choose to not use the sauna.
soninkabout 2 hours ago
I looked into Saunas in detail sometime back as a replacement/complement to exercise. There is a lot of research out there which says Saunas are as beneficial - but at the end of it I reached a similar conclusion - exercise is just better understood, so no point experimenting when something can go wrong.
Jtariiabout 2 hours ago
A sauna will do nothing for muscular-skeletal health.
derektankabout 2 hours ago
That seems like a very strong statement. Isn’t there evidence that Heat Shock Proteins are produced in response to time in the sauna, which have beneficial effects on muscle growth and repair?
testing22321about 3 hours ago
I don’t think the TV in the sauna will have long term health outcomes.
Filligreeabout 2 hours ago
It will certainly affect the health of the TV.
tester756about 2 hours ago
One hour in sauna? :O
bluGillabout 2 hours ago
A random time I pulled out of my head. If this is real the next question is what is the optimal time. (also temperature and humidity levels)
p1anecrazy5 minutes ago
Appreciate it as a regular sauna-goer. I am also struggling to wake up after sauna evenings and maybe you research explains why
gjulianmabout 2 hours ago
> Effect survives controlling for activity level.

How did you control for activity level? Do you have similar BPM plots for the different situations (sauna+exercise, sauna+no exercise, no sauna + exercise, no sauna + no exercise) for a visual representation?

> minimum nighttime HR drops ~3 bpm (~5%)

What wearables were used? These devices don't usually have enough precision to reliably detect ~3bpm changes. Also, the measurements are sensitive to skin, blood flow changes and temperature. How do you know the difference doesn't come from different sensor behavior after sauna?

jampekkaabout 2 hours ago
> What wearables were used? These devices don't usually have enough precision to reliably detect ~3bpm changes.

For large sample averages this doesn't really matter.

gjulianmabout 1 hour ago
It does, specially if the error bars from multiple measurements show higher precision than what would be expected.
jampekkaabout 2 hours ago
I'd like to see a bit more detailed methods.

- How was the controlling for the other factors done? A linear model?

- What were the sauna vs non-sauna baseline HRs in fig 1? Could you plot raw averages?

- Was the min HR explicitly computed during the night (in Fig 2), or was it assumed min HR occurs during the night?

- Reporting only significant results is not prudent even with multiple comparisons corrections, please report all tests made

lccerinaabout 2 hours ago
If this was a peer-reviewed paper, it won't pass.

- Is the wearable accurate enough to be sure that 3bpm is not a measurement fluke? - Why did you use the minimum heart rate value (which could be a measurement glitch) and did not compare a percentile (e.g., 2.5th lowest percentile)? - Were all assumptions for paired t-testing valid? How did you account for likely temporal correlations in the data (e.g., sauna could have an effect also on a night 2 days after it, same for exercise)? - How can you define a "comparable-intensity exercise day" if you don't know the characteristics of the sauna?

joelthelionabout 2 hours ago
> Is the wearable accurate enough to be sure that 3bpm is not a measurement fluke

If the statistical tests show significance (and are valid), the answer to this question is yes. If you have enough data you can make strong conclusions even witwith imperfect hardware.

gjulianmabout 2 hours ago
Unless the effect they're measuring is that the wearable measures differently in sauna days.
rangunaabout 2 hours ago
Strong conclusion that the hardware is precisely imperfect?
al_borlandabout 2 hours ago
How would this play out over time? Will sauna see a 3bpm drop below baseline on days it’s used, while keeping the same baseline?

Exercise, over time, should lower the baseline (to a point). I’d think this would have the more desirable long term benefits.

One can do both, of course, but when people see headlines like this they often jump to the conclusion that sauna can replace exercise, because that’s what they want to believe.

verstabout 2 hours ago
Due to lots of long distance running my rest heart rate is below 40. I am highly skeptical I would experience a 3bpm lower heart rate after sauna. Maybe this benefit applies after infrequent activity or less intense activity only.
oidarabout 1 hour ago
Also not controlled: Maybe on Sauna days they drank more water before bed? Or less alcohol?
jtandersonabout 2 hours ago
Just as a discussion point: how do you think these effects would translate (if at all) to regularly practicing hot yoga, say around 100-105F? Intuitively, it would combine the effort + recovery, but probably not enough time elapsed in the same session for the sweat benefit during muscle repair?
gamerslexusabout 3 hours ago
It would be very interesting if lowering night heart rate only happens with certain sauna type.

> What we can't control for: - Sauna type (dry / infrared / steam), duration, temperature. Not captured

Could probably capture humidity/duration/temperature using a sensor in wearable device...

kyriakoselabout 3 hours ago
we agree - but thats not that simple :)
methylabout 2 hours ago
> who logged sauna sessions via connected apps

It seems you ask participants to log if they went to sauna. Out of curiosity, why is it not simple to also ask for a type?

lazyantabout 1 hour ago
Would a hot tub session (say at 100 - 105 F) be comparable or yield similar results?
pstuart7 minutes ago
Dr. Rhonda Patrick has been beating the drum for saunas for a long time, and she's reported that a hot tub can be equivalent or better: https://x.com/foundmyfitness/status/1955294334535995850?lang...
Glemllksdfabout 2 hours ago
Or the sauna is a relaxing thing like a happy place and that reduces heart rate?
itsthecourierabout 3 hours ago
how does this reduction in heartbeat at night affect the body?
Noaidiabout 1 hour ago
Just because your heart rate is lower does it mean you’re any healthier however. This is just ridiculous measurement it means nothing.

The sauna might be acting like any other drug. There are a lot of drugs that will lower nighttime heart rate. Does that mean those drugs are healthier for you?

croemerabout 3 hours ago
Why didn't you put the methodology in the post? Also, which devices were used to record? How do you know people went to sauna?
strangescriptabout 2 hours ago
Anecdotal, of course, but the biggest change I ever made in my life was right before bed: take a screaming hot shower with dim lighting. I'd say 95% of the time, I get in bed and just pass out and have no real memory of time passing before falling asleep.
Arch485about 2 hours ago
Increasing skin temperature is known to induce sleep (can't find a source currently, sorry). Something about your skin being warmer allowing your body to cool more effectively, I think.

So a hot shower before bed is actually great for sleep, because you get the increased skin temp, relaxed muscles from the warm water, and general relaxation because showers are (for many people) relaxing.

sva_about 1 hour ago
It makes your body cool down, which is desirable for sleep.
Aurornisabout 3 hours ago
n= traditionally refers to the number of participants, not the number of data points.

The headline claim is very misleading for anyone who thought there were 59,000 people in this data set.

The absolute difference is also small. Small enough that the effect might be attributable to something secondary, such as sauna users consuming more water in recovery and being more hydrated. Heart rate has a relationship with hydration status.

eggyabout 1 hour ago
A delta of 3 bpm on sauna days corresponds to around 4% delta if the baseline is 72 bpm. I've gone from a resting heart rate over a 7-day average of 64 bpm to 58 bpm by jumping 15 min. of rope a day, 4 times a week. I've lost weight, body fat, and I feel like my body is more efficient with corresponding lower heart rates throughout my active day. I like saunas for recovery and aches, they put me in a relaxed state after, and I believe the dilation is flushing my system. Like anything else, moderation. Perhaps I will add sauna to my weekly routine 1x per week or less.
chris_vaabout 1 hour ago
This would not pass peer review for a journal as written.

Maybe the conclusion is correct, or maybe not, but as written the methodology is under specified, statistics are not supported, and there too many confounders not addressed. One should not take anything from this without a better write up. Just misunderstanding what n= means is a huge flag.

Since the author is here, I have to ask: Why a blog post and not an actual paper? Why spray this onto the internet without validating the work? Or, conversely, why not caveat the work as exploratory data science?

SCdFabout 2 hours ago
Not to be glib, but being dead lowers your night time heart rate more then exercise as well.

Is having a lower night time heart rate the core goal of exercise? Is it even a goal at all? Or is it just an indicator of other goals being reached? I'm genuinely curious, I wasn't aware that the number mattered, more than what that number actually represents.

nonameiguess11 minutes ago
No, immediately lowering heart rate isn't a goal of exercise. The reason it's a meaningful measure at all is because a lower resting heart rate, not overnight in response to a stimulus, but a permanently lower resting heart rate, is a sign that your overall cardiorespiratory system has become more efficient in terms of how much blood it can deliver per beat, how much oxygen it can deliver per unit of blood, and how much energy can be generated per unit of oxygen in your mitochondria. When those efficiencies improve, fewer beats per minute results in the same level of work done in your cells. Thus, resting heart acts as a proxy measure of aerobic fitness, not a goal in and of itself. All of those are long-term adaptations. Conversely, there are many ways to acutely lower heart rate that are clearly not healthy. Death, obviously, but taking opioids or many other kinds of depressants, not moving ever, sleeping 23 hours a day, will all lower your average heart rate immediately without making you fitter or healthier.
SJMGabout 2 hours ago
It's just another measure. It's not ceteris paribus better to have a lower one.

From the author, "Strongest hypothesis: elevated parasympathetic tone from the post-sauna cooling phase carries into sleep"

AKA, they use it as a proxy to infer a deeper state of rest and improved recovery state. Says nothing about the fatigue generated from using a sauna.

YmiYugyabout 2 hours ago
I know that for myself exercise increases my resting heart rate in the short term. It only decreases after a day or two, sometimes more depending on how fatigued I am. I thought that was common, with recovery times obviously decreasing the fitter ones gets.
redeuxabout 1 hour ago
I didn’t see a reference to the amount of time in the sauna required to receive this effect. Was that measured as part of this research?
gcanyonabout 2 hours ago
N=1, but I started rowing (indoor, on an erg) an hour a day -- not hard, generally 120-140 bpm -- every day starting February 28, after rowing inconsistently for a year or more before that. My resting (not sleep) pulse has dropped by 10% over the past ~7 weeks, from 60 to 54.
storusabout 1 hour ago
Can anyone suggest why after covid I can't do Finnish sauna anymore? Prior to that I used to do 1-2x a week a sequence of 5x(10 minutes in sauna + 5 minutes cold water immersion + 10 minutes rest) which was absolutely great for both stress reduction and blood flow. Now if I do 5 minutes in sauna I feel like my skin was burning and I am about to die, and I need to recover for 1 hour from that to be able to just walk away from sauna.
p1anecrazy7 minutes ago
Once in a while as I get sick I have to retrain myself to going to sauna (e.g. taking lowest level, even skipping the Aufguss, German infusion where temperature is raised gradually etc.)

Also IMO your body fat/water/lean muscle ratio may play a role. I once lost 5 kg due to Influenza A and all my sport achievements as well as sauna endurance were gone

mcvabout 1 hour ago
No idea. How hot is and was your sauna? Is it possible that it's hotter than it used to be? Maybe try one that's slightly less hot?

I've got the opposite problem: saunas don't seem to be able to make me sweat anymore, so I'm looking for the hottest saunas I can find.

storusabout 1 hour ago
The usual 95"C, nothing extraordinary. Sweating after covid got impaired, I might have some thermoregulation issue.
mcvabout 1 hour ago
95 is pretty hot. At commercial spas I see them start at 70, and rarely above 90.
Ylpertnodiabout 1 hour ago
After covid I've found i cannot stand the cold. A friend of mine can't stand alcohol since.
amazingamazingabout 2 hours ago
N=256
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nickburnsabout 1 hour ago
Why is this quackery front page?
shevy-javaabout 2 hours ago
Well ...

Finland life expectancy for 2023 was 81.69.

Norway life expectancy for 2025 was 83.23.

Japan life expectancy for 2025 was 85.27.

Sumo wrestlers in Japan have a life expectancy between 60-65 years or so - significantly lower than the other japanese.

I am not saying that sauna has no positive effect at all, but I would reason that the number one risk factor is ... weight. And I'd also still say that exercise is correlated here, if only secondary, e. g. you may be able to maintain better bodily functions if you exercise, if you can avoid injury. I do not think that going into the sauna rather than e. g. light running for 5 to 10 minutes or so, is anywhere near on the same level.

dukeofdoomabout 2 hours ago
Seems to me what we now know about neural networks, we should maybe weighted sum of inputs, that fire off the desired output. The human body/brain process all kinds of stimulus at once, and might only react to a combination of inputs.
iwontberudeabout 2 hours ago
Website doesn’t load, it times out. Anyone have tl;dr?
kyriakoselabout 2 hours ago
it works for me - what browser are you using?
sva_about 3 hours ago
> Motivated to understand the immediate physiological response to saunas, we looked at the same-day effects across ~59,000 daily records from 256 users.

Editorialized title is wrong. n=256

kyriakoselabout 2 hours ago
Fair flag: 256 users, 59k days
deviationabout 1 hour ago
@dang can fix this right up, I believe
ckrapuabout 3 hours ago
I can tell you wrote the article with ChatGPT. I’m out as soon as I pick up the smell. I don’t dislike the usage of AI, I just don’t trust. It if you haven’t written it yourself.
flippyheadabout 2 hours ago
I feel like we need an acronym for this kind of comment. I am pretty sure approximately 100% of HN posts now include at least one comment where someone, somehow, knows that an article is written by AI and resents it.

For Claude we have the ever present "you are absolutely right" and this is like it's human mirror.

Something like TLDR; but meaning "uhg, written by AI".

thundergolferabout 2 hours ago
This article is a brilliant skewering of the 'em dash means LLM' heuristic as a broken trick deployed by those too-clever-by-half.

1. https://www.scottsmitelli.com/articles/em-dash-tool/

flippyheadabout 2 hours ago
Thank you for this. This is like finding a book where someone has written down what I've been thinking, but better than I ever could.
WaltPurvis41 minutes ago
We don't need an acronym; people just need to stop posting these utterly worthless comments.
eudamoniacabout 1 hour ago
AI;DR