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beeforporkabout 3 hours ago
And dont you pronounce that 'x' as 'ks'! It's pronounced as 'sh'! Just like in 'xocolatl'.
Petersipoiabout 3 hours ago
I have a feeling you're fighting a losing battle here
TeMPOraL8 minutes ago
That one is ancient history. My 6yo is currently fighting her friends and their parents alike to make them realize and learn that there is an "L" at the end - it's "axolotl", not "axolot".
embedding-shapeabout 2 hours ago
Prenounciation and correcting other's spelling is always a losing battle, probably for everyone involved.
rezonantabout 1 hour ago
*Pronunciation
brunoborgesabout 3 hours ago
Every scientific battle is worth fighting for!
psychoslaveabout 3 hours ago
Scientific study of languages generally admits that language drift eventually.
whyenotabout 2 hours ago
What is scientific about this pronunciation? Axolotl is not the scientfic name (its Ambystoma mexicanum), and usually the goal with pronouncing scientific names is for the listener to be able to spell the name after hearing it (at least for botany, which is what I am familiar with).
prmoustacheabout 1 hour ago
Well most non nahuatl speaking mexicans simply call them by the spanish traduction, ajolote.
pif33 minutes ago
If you want it to be pronounced "sh", just write it "sh".
foldr13 minutes ago
They wanted it to be pronounced 'x', so they wrote it 'x': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahuatl_orthography
zamadatix6 minutes ago
They can spell/pronounce things differently than we do and it's all cool either way. It's very common for animals to have different spellings, pronunciations, or even completely different names between languages.
pants2about 2 hours ago
And "valet" is supposed to rhyme with "ballot" not "ballet" but you'll still sound like an idiot if you say "take your car to the val-it"
aksssabout 1 hour ago
Drink some clarit with the valit over a good filit.
bananzambaabout 2 hours ago
Or like Meshico
contingencies23 minutes ago
Given the damage to the abdomen, we might infer it was axed a little.
mc32about 2 hours ago
That’s like telling the Japanese that “cutlet” is not pronounced “katsu.” It ain’t gonna change. Or even having southerners pronounce squirrel with two sellable [autocorrect : syllables] Good luck with that!
anticorporateabout 1 hour ago
> two sellable

I'm a southerner and we generally have squirrels in plentiful quantities, so it's never occurred to me to sell them. /s

pkaeding20 minutes ago
Mepps buys the tails, they make fishing lures from them: https://www.mepps.com/squirrel-tail/
fluoridationabout 3 hours ago
"Shocolate"? Who says it like that?
patallabout 3 hours ago
People speaking languages other than English.
fluoridationabout 2 hours ago
We're speaking English, so why even entertain the idea of pronouncing "axolotl" differently, in that case? The Japanese say "en", but that doesn't seem to inspire anyone else not to say "yen".
bromuroabout 2 hours ago
Not really - it is [t͡ʃ] (“ch”) not [ʃ] (“sh”).
jkestnerabout 3 hours ago
Any self-respecting Aztecophile. They're also the cause of startup names dropping a vowl. Insufferable.
janalsncmabout 4 hours ago
Indeed, most axolotls in Wales are Welsh axolotls.

But I do wonder how many do live in Wales. If it’s not just an abandoned pet that would be really interesting.

codezeroabout 3 hours ago
From the article it doesn't appear they've ever been found alive in the wild anywhere but their natural habitat. This was likely a remarkable chance happening where an owner released one and she found it within close succession or else it likely would have died very quickly.

If there is a wild population, that would be an even more amazing story.

OJFordabout 2 hours ago
I did think it was strange they didn't spell that out though. Maybe they thought 'Mexican' makes it clear, but it reads too easily like a species name.
culiabout 2 hours ago
It is absolutely an abandoned pet. They cannot survive outside the tropics. Hell, they can't even survive outside the 2 lakes in Mexico City that they're hyperadapted to

There are less than 1,000 of them in the wild. Trust me if it was possible to establish a population somewhere else outside of captivity, scientists and conservationists would already be on it

krisoft10 minutes ago
> It is absolutely an abandoned pet.

That. Or the family fabricated the story for online fame.

Not saying that i have any evidence either way. Fundamentaly it is an unverifiable feel-good story with great online “viral” potential. It might be a very lucky axolotl who got abandoned, found and re-captured in the short window it could survive in the wild. It can also be a viral content strategy capturing eyeballs. In my, admitedly very jaded, guestimate I would give the two options about equal chances.

prmoustacheabout 1 hour ago
Examples in the wild are - bar the possibility of an albino example - all dark skinned. The pink/light skinned ones are the results of mutations and ultimately selective breeding in the pet population.
uoaeiabout 1 hour ago
So is it likely this one merely escaped? I find it hard to believe someone who would own one of these would not be an enthusiast, and that enthusiasts wouldn't find another owner for a critically endangered species rather than merely drop it under a local bridge.
culi42 minutes ago
No it is extremely unlikely this is an "escape". This would be lucky to survive for a week in Europe. Almost certainly what happened is someone bought one and then realized they are too complicated to take care of and decided to dump it in a spot they thought looked pretty

Also there are 1,000 of these in the wild but there are over a million of them in captivity. You can get a typical morph for about $50.

mikestewabout 4 hours ago
Sooo, if they are/were popular as pets, how come there's less than 1000 left worldwide? Those two facts don't reconcile for me.
culiabout 4 hours ago
1000 wild ones. There's much more in captivity than in the wild.

They evolved to be quite dependent on the unique agricultural islands in the Valley of Mexico called Chinampas. These were drained by the colonizers. Which is why Mexico City is now facing a severe water crisis and also why these creatures are endangered

mikestewabout 3 hours ago
Thanks, that's the clarification I was not getting from TFA.
ZeWakaabout 3 hours ago
Also why the whole region has so many sinkhole and similar drainage problems - it's literally built on a lake.
culiabout 2 hours ago
Yup. A lake that used to fuel the single most productive agricultural system humans have ever practiced. It's sad but there is a strong indigenous movement to bring them back. The axolotl actually became a major symbol of indigenous resistance because of this movement
bombcarabout 4 hours ago
"in the wild" might be doing a lot of heavy lifting, or it may be based on subspecies or similar.

I don't really expect to find endangered species at the local pet store.

JaggedNZabout 3 hours ago
I have three axolotl's in the next room, there are no subspecies to my knowledge, except maybe for some cross breeding with Salamanders in the US.

They are common in scientific research as they have amazing regenerative abilities; they will often mistakenly bite each other's legs off as juveniles (they are not the smartest creatures) and then grow them back in a few weeks, good as new. They made it into the exotic pet trade and now they are quite common in captivity, but now critically endangered in the wild. There are attempts to breed and repopulate them, with some limited success.

Another interesting thing, in many countries and states it is legal to keep an axolotl and illegal to keep a Salamander.

They are actually fairly easy to keep in my experience, with two caveats. 1) you need to be able to keep the water below 24 Deg C, this means spending some money on chillers even in sub-tropical countries. 2) If you have a pair in the same tank (regardless of sexing) you need to be prepared to cull the eggs! (freeze them) Prices here went from ~$50NZ each down to around $10-15 each due to the Minecraft craze.

prmoustacheabout 1 hour ago
my understanding is that thr light skinned / pink variants are the results of mutation and selective breeding - and obviously racism, light skinned being considered more cute - in the pet population and almost all examples in the wild are dark skinned.
Ifkaluvaabout 3 hours ago
Why are salamanders illegal?
fineIllregisterabout 3 hours ago
It's a similar story for Venus fly trap plants. It has a tiny habitat so it's exotic. They're easy to breed so it's cheap to start selling them. But their limited habitat is being destroyed, so they are endangered and also on the clearance rack at the garden store.
elzbardicoabout 4 hours ago
Why not. We found plenty of endagered species at zoos. They are endangered not only as a function of the number of species, but due to their vanishing environments.
liveoneggsabout 3 hours ago
the pet ones are almostly entirely captive bred so they are pretty distinct by now
nilslindemann32 minutes ago
Even if you are an endangered species, humans wont leave you alone.
codezeroabout 4 hours ago
It amazes me she chanced upon it at the right time and even knew exactly what it was.
culiabout 4 hours ago
Axolotl's have become a global icon. First as an anti-colonial protest symbol for indigenous peoples. But now it's even a creature in Minecraft

Edit: oh the article says as much

> Axolotls as pets have seen a surge in popularity in recent years after they were introduced to video games such as Minecraft and Roblox.

Also, the child seems quite familiar with the wildlife

> She said Evie was "always finding things" like newts and bugs, but said the axolotl discovery was a surprise.

What's even funnier is the mother's reaction who apparently didn't believe axolotl's were real

> "I've been telling Evie all this time that those creatures she watches on YouTube, they're not real.

codezeroabout 3 hours ago
Yeah, I didn't want to spoil the article with my comment, it was a good read, but it did immediately make sense why they were so popular now. I've met multiple people in passing who own Axolotl. I used to think I was super special that I met a guy who owned one, and I assumed it was because he was a famous neuroscientist, and had some special permission, but now they're relatively common as pets (to a degree).
kasey_junkabout 4 hours ago
I stopped trying to correct my kid about wildlife facts when he turned 5…
MBCookabout 3 hours ago
> Experts have warned axolotls should never be bought on impulse as they can "very challenging" to look after.

> This is because they have the same environmental, dietary and behavioural needs in captivity as they do in the wild.

I thought this was just odd. Don’t most animals that aren’t heavily domesticated like that? I mean that’s true of most all pet fish, for example.

JaggedNZabout 2 hours ago
Unfortunately, the whole Minecraft thing caused a lot of people to buy them with little understanding of proper care, so I suspect there's some "that's cool but please don't rush in unprepared" in the hard to keep message. There are also some misconceptions around water quality requirements, they really don't like chemical pollutants, but I have no issues with local municipal water, other areas could have issues and require RO water, etc. but there are plenty of tropical fish keepers in this same situation.

And then there's the water temp thing, that caught me off-guard and I was using frozen water bottles for a few weeks until my chiller arrived, if the tank had been located in a different part of the house it might have been required.

macintuxabout 3 hours ago
From another comment here: "you need to be able to keep the water below 24 Deg C, this means spending some money on chillers even in sub-tropical countries"

I think people anticipate needing heaters for certain types of fish, but I'd never have expected to buy a cooling unit for aquatic life.

psychoslaveabout 3 hours ago
First time I learnt about it was while reading The Book of Barely Imagined Beings. Fantastic book.
poolnoodleabout 4 hours ago
Why not leave it in the wild? Now the poor thing has to stare at the inside of a bucket for the rest of its life.
loloquwowndueoabout 3 hours ago
Not its natural habitat - it would probably die in winter

Axolotls are somewhat popular as pets so I’m thinking someone got rid of theirs by tossing it in the river and the girl just happened to find it afterwards.

Far more plausible explanation than “found in the wild 9000km and an ocean away from its place of origin”

reactordevabout 3 hours ago
They freeze and thaw like Iguanas do in Florida. They can’t survive prolonged cold temperatures but when it does get to 15c they stop moving.
illwrksabout 3 hours ago
I wonder if that's why she had caught it so easily, not many people are visiting the UK for it's sunny climate.
culiabout 2 hours ago
People are telling you it would die in the winter but the truth is it would die in a week. This pet was surely abandoned in the past 48 hours and that's why this is so rare.

They are hyper adapted to the water cycles, nutrient profile, and pH levels of the Xochimilco lake system in Mexico city and were taken care of by indigenous people for thousands of years. They have never survived anywhere outside of these lakes

prmoustacheabout 1 hour ago
They used to live in some others areas too. I once visited some places in the sierras close to Queretaro and while we were walking along the river a local guide told me he hasn't seen one in a decade but he used to see them regularly when he was a teenager.

Having said that there are surely a lot of factors that would make its survival impossible in wales given how hard it is for them to survive in their original ecosystems.

culi38 minutes ago
He may have been referring to the very closely related Ambystoma velasci

The historic range of the axolotl was indeed a bit wider than the current lakes beneath Mexico City, but not that much wider

WJWabout 2 hours ago
1. The article already mentions the parents of the girl who caught it are looking into how to best keep an axolotl and a bigger tank has already arrived.

2. Axolotls can't survive in a Welsh climate. This creature will live much longer as a pet than it would in the wild.

oidarabout 3 hours ago
It's against the law for it to be in the wild. And the temperature range in which it can survive is quite narrow, it would probably die sometime this year if left alone.
neuralkoiabout 3 hours ago
As mentioned in the article, this was almost certainly someone's pet and dumped in the river when they couldn't take care of it anymore. Axolotls are endemic to Mexico.
bastardoperatorabout 2 hours ago
I suspect someone dumped their pet. Considering its from Mexico I also suspect it prefers a warmer water/climate?
OJFordabout 2 hours ago
Because Wales is not its wild
fortran77about 3 hours ago
Why did she name him Dippy and not a proper Welsh name like "Cadwaladr" or "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?"
codezeroabout 3 hours ago
I think her family was visiting Wales, rather than being natives :)
renewiltordabout 3 hours ago
The English have colonized Wales for a long time. They don't even do land acknowledgements. Racism and imperialism is rampant in the old world unlike in the US.
wizzwizz4about 2 hours ago
Wales is a lot smaller than the continental United States. What do you expect them to say? "Cardiff is part of Wales, unceded territory of the Welsh"? That would be entirely performative. If you feel strongly about this topic, you ought to demand more meaningful steps, such as the use of Welsh language place names.
tonyarklesabout 3 hours ago
"siliogogogoch" for short :)
standwportugulabout 3 hours ago
The BBC paywall for US users is really a bummer
varispeed44 minutes ago
Imagine axolotl husband now cries of missing wife.
shevy-javaabout 2 hours ago
Imagine if it were the other way around:

Mexican axolotl, 10, finds rare Girl under Welsh bridge.

nilslindemann31 minutes ago
And how we would react if it catched her and put her in a small cage.
nomabout 4 hours ago
This is so unlikely to happen. There is a good chance that they are not as rare as we currently think, at least in that particular area.
culiabout 4 hours ago
They are unique to like 2 lakes in Mexico. This is someone's pet that they dumped there. It would not have survived more than a week in Wales had it not been found.
prmoustacheabout 1 hour ago
There were more than 2 lakes but the specy is almost extinct so these areas are where you can still find some.
culiabout 1 hour ago
Well it's native to the Xochimilco "lake system". Sometimes its hard to say what's a different lake or not but it's the same system of lakes. They also used to be in Lake Chalco which at certain times of the year could connect into the same lake as Xochimilco. Regardless, it's always been a tiny range
codezeroabout 3 hours ago
I think it likely speaks to how much more common they are as exotic pets than they have been in the past. That she found it before it died is surprising, and the longer I think about this story the longer I wonder if they just bought it as a pet and the river discovery was a gag for online clout.
rishikeshs33 minutes ago
why is your reply faded
kreyenborgiabout 3 hours ago
One in a million chances happen nine times out of ten.

Especially with 8 billion humans wandering around.

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motbus35 minutes ago
These damn mexican immigrants are everywhere! Just kidding. I love you mexican folks, just couldn't miss the joke