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thrownawayszabout 3 hours ago
The fact that there is no 1st party Apple made hiking and topography map on the Apple Watch is such a failure, not even on the most expensive “made for explorers” Watch Ultra. And things like gpx import is just a mere dream

It’s a lifestyle device after all but still

coldtea7 minutes ago
Is it? They have a platform you can run other apps on, and this one in TFA and others provides this functionality.
cromkaabout 2 hours ago
Honestly, the less Apple made apps, the better for the ecosystem and the quality of the apps in general. Apple's recent "sherlocked" apps are not good quality at all, but they make it substantially more difficult for 3rd parties to compete with the now default offerings.
SllX24 minutes ago
Generally speaking, Apple should be improving and adding to the base operating system all the time, including new apps. It is better for their users including new users if the phone itself is capable of more out of the box.

Where they fall short though, the App Store is right there. There’s almost always a better alternative for those who value having something better.

Sir_Twistabout 1 hour ago
Not a developer, but I feel like Apple improving the defaults has been good for the ecosystem. The Reminders app is an example of this, because as it has gotten better over the years, the baseline for a good iOS to-do app has been raised, without reducing the market.
Schiendelman15 minutes ago
I agree 100%. I ended up building myself a utility to wrangle my reminders (like keep them from getting missed/lost) instead of using a third-party app.
joe_mambaabout 1 hour ago
Didn't it take them 10+ years to make a calculator app for the iPad?
somabout 2 hours ago
Great evolution story. Also love seeing what can be achieved by stepping outside design lines, re. centred, symmetrical UIs. Makes me want an apple watch ;)

As an aside there's a screenshot in the article showing the Hidden Valley at Glen Coe, which happens to be one of my favourite short walks in Scotland.

A less happy aside of that aside is the house at the base of the valley. I used to look at it dreamily as we drove past, always closed up, nestled by itself in a remote nook between the mountains. What an extraordinary place it would be to live. The park for the hike was only a couple of hundred metres up the road. A few years later I recognised the house in a Louis Theroux doco, when he travelled there with its owner - TV personality Jimmy Saville. Wow. And then a few years later again, after I'd returned to Australia, it came out, posthumous, that Saville was one of the UK's most prolific child and sexual predators. Horrific stuff. The name and outline of the cottage structure can actually be seen at the top of the map in the screenshot.

maz1b25 minutes ago
Really enjoyed reading this. A lot. Reminds me when I was a teenager reading technical blogs in the earlier days of the internet.

BTW, that last line about hiring/commissioning a cartographer, very rad and cool :~)

apt-apt-apt-aptabout 3 hours ago
For others curious like I was, it seems he hired a cartographer to render essentially a set of huge, nice-looking, custom map images with details like hiking trails that Apple Maps doesn't have.

So unlike Apple Maps, which is dynamically rendered, it basically shows image tiles. It allows for a nicer-looking, more detailed map, but affects things like needing separate downloads for different zoom levels, rotation, updatability.

n8cpdxabout 1 hour ago
The use of the cartographer to generate separate designs and the technology used to render/deliver those designs are two entirely separate concerns.

His original map provider offers both vector and raster tile services: https://www.thunderforest.com/maps/outdoors/

A common pattern is to use a vector tile service + style definition directly or to generate raster tiles if those are desired.

apt-apt-apt-apt16 minutes ago
Good point, I assumed he was using images because his screenshots show text perfectly following the curves of rivers, which seems hard to do with dynamic rendering.
dzogchenabout 2 hours ago
I think this may not even be possible because Apple does not give access to the Metal graphics API on Apple Watch to third-party developers.
SpyCoder77about 3 hours ago
As a pedometer++ user, it is amazing the attention to detail David has maintained over the years. The evolution is crazy.
monk_grilla44 minutes ago
I’m interested since it’s clear this is a passionate and talented developer, but it seems the primary feature is step tracking, which iPhone already does by default. Is Pedometer++’s step counting somehow more accurate?
SpyCoder7710 minutes ago
Yes, the primary feature that is being marketed is step tracking, but the app in general is much more than that. It's like how flighty just is a wrapper for the flights API that you could access through Google, yet flighty is the best app for flight tracking nonetheless and is a really cool app.
Amorymeltzerabout 3 hours ago
He really is such a committed and dedicated developer. This here is of course a perfect example—"So… I commissioned a custom map" aka hiring a cartographer—but it was really cool how he blew up with Widgetsmith because he put in the effort with Watchsmith before, and was basically the world's expert on widgets? Couldn't happen to a better guy.
brcmthrowawayabout 2 hours ago
Thanks to Claude!
dmdabout 1 hour ago
?? what does claude have to do with this?
kweizaabout 2 hours ago
Static tiles on a watch is the right call. Tried dynamic rendering on a constrained device once and pan/zoom got eaten by GC pauses every frame.
timojaaskabout 1 hour ago
There’s no GC on watchOS, it uses ARC
arjieabout 2 hours ago
Apple Maps on WatchOS is pretty good but the usual routine is that I get on my bike with a route set and 3 minutes in the “are you working out?” screen takes over and I can’t see the maps without stopping to turn it off. Surely that screen should turn into a notification or silently record after some time without taking over the screen.

I’m surprised to hear people at Apple work on this because surely they must encounter this issue.

If this guys maps can somehow take the screen and hold it, I think he’s got a killer feature for me. Though I glanced at the App Store page and it wasn’t clear to me which features are subscription gated and which ones aren’t and I despise apps that won’t tell me till I’ve set everything up (it just feels so frustrating that it wasn’t clear ahead of time) so I’ll probably just endure and try to remember to start a workout manually so it won’t take over.

Dork_Siderabout 2 hours ago
You can also turn off the "are you working out" feature. It's in the settings of the workout part. Just turn off "Check In Reminders"
eckelhestenabout 3 hours ago
Let me edit this out, clearly it sounds worse in my own language than it does in English.
apt-apt-apt-aptabout 3 hours ago
Let's start by banning words like 'pediatric' instead, which directly reference children and are thus more related to pedophiles. We can just call people 'doctor/dentist for small people'.
unpopularoppabout 3 hours ago
rogerrogerrabout 3 hours ago
We really can't afford to keep blacklisting words for reasons that have no basis in reality. We're gonna run out of words.

(parent edited their comment - the suggestion was that "pedometer" is a bad name because of the first four letters being reminiscent of pedophiles and Epstein)

puttycatabout 2 hours ago
Can we also not ban people for pointing out an evidently funny naming?
phainopepla239 minutes ago
Who was banned?
blairbeckwithabout 3 hours ago
I can’t believe you made me sign in just to downvote this.