SubQ: a sub-quadratic LLM with 12M-token context

2001zhaozhao•about 3 hours ago

Assuming this is real and much better than existing linear attention methods as advertised, not launching with a technical report is a big miss.

Edit: their blog post (https://subq.ai/how-ssa-makes-long-context-practical) does go pretty in-depth about it

Edit 2: the fact that they're going straight for an end-to-end coding product on day 1 is very ambitious. Other speed/efficiency-oriented AI companies (Cerebras and Inception come to mind) still don't have a first-party coding product after years. IMO this is absolutely the right way to go if they really do have the big breakthrough they're claiming.

mohsen1•about 2 hours ago

- magic.dev claimed 200M context window and it's been two years since and no real product yet.

- They are admitting that this is built on top of a Chinese model[1]

- They committed a huge chart crime with the Y axis of a chart comparing to Opus on their website that I can't find anymore (Too embarrassing to keep?). The delta between their score (81%) vs. Opus (87%) on SWE bench was hugely minimized

- They named the company subquadratic but in parts they said O(1) linear scaling. At O(1) you could do much more than 12M tokens context window. At O(log n) even.

I hope this is real but I doubt...

artisin•about 2 hours ago

Ah, I nearly forgot about magic.dev. I took a quick peek to check up on them. Welp, last social/blog activity was in... 2024. But hey, their careers page still says they're hiring! So they must be doing just fine.

pstorm•about 8 hours ago

I’m very surprised this isn’t getting more attention. Am I missing something?

It seems at or above SOTA on the given benchmarks, doesn’t have context rot, is orders of magnitude faster, and uses less compute that current transformer models. I suppose it’s just an announcement and we can’t test it ourselves yet.

alexsubq•about 6 hours ago

We are SOTA in some ways and not in others, continuously working to make it better! We need a little more time to scale, as we are working on things like disaggregated prefill, etc., the norms of large-scale model infra.

I am happy to answer any questions!

supern0va•about 4 hours ago

This seems super cool if as described, but I'm sure you can understand the skepticism.

Do you anticipate having any kind of public accessible chat interface for testing in the near future?

Also, what, if any, benefits are there for smaller context windows? Is there still a material improvement in cost to serve under say 256k? I'm curious about the broader implications for the space beyond improvements for very large context windows.

jakevoytko•about 8 hours ago

The proof is in the pudding. At this point, there have been plenty of models that overperformed on benchmarks and underperformed on real work. So my stance is that I'm curious, I'm excited to see where it goes, and I don't believe it until I can try it.

remaximize•about 8 hours ago

I agree, it's a real architectural breakthrough if true

shdh•about 5 hours ago

no one has access to it yet

no published benchmarks

no paper

no demonstrations of capabilities

creamyhorror•about 8 hours ago

Whether this is real or not, multiple commenters here look like astroturfers - created in the past year (or hours) with very low karma

GorbachevyChase•about 5 hours ago

There are some comments which are identical to comments on X as well. That is not the say the frontier labs do not engage in highly unethical marketing, but this is a little bit too obvious.

remaximize•about 9 hours ago

This is pretty remarkable. We've spent a lot of time finding workarounds for LLMs reading long docs. Now that's gone.

williamimoh•about 9 hours ago

Looks like long context isn’t a problem anymore

tamarru•about 9 hours ago

Neither is cost, and latency, in the long-term. LLMs ultimately become more economically viable than they are now, and broaden the scope of every existing LLM-driven application (particularly STS, conversational AI, etc, etc.)

tuandin•about 8 hours ago

if it's true then it's a breakthrough.

wilddolphin•about 9 hours ago

optimizing AI in general. How cool is that?

SubQ: a sub-quadratic LLM with 12M-token context

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