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sfjailbird3 days ago
We already have the business side come with requirements in the form of 'solutions' that they have thought up, which more often than not are Rube Golberg-esque contraptions, that you have to conversationally reverse engineer to arrive at the actual requirements.

In the future they will come with their 'ready' solution, already 'working' and be even less receptive to look at design and architecture holistically. Just make it like that. And why do you need to spend X man hours? The thing is basically already done!

gwerbin3 days ago
I have seen this already. Vibecoded top to bottom.

The downside is that the business people don't understand why you can't just put their app in production as is. And then there's a lot of pressure to make it happen quickly "because we can use AI to move fast". This is going to come down to healthy organization dynamics, and hopefully represents a learning opportunity for leadership.

The upside is that the idea has already been proven out much more thoroughly than a sketch on a napkin. Claude has already prompted them about edge cases and design decisions. It's very likely that at some point they had to explicitly tell Claude "don't worry about that and just make an assumption", or "I actually don't like that interaction after trying it a few times, can you do a differently". They had to write out much of their idea in clear and direct language in order to prompt the AI. They've probably been playing with their own toy because it's fun to play with toys you summoned from thin air, so they've had a chance to discover the experience and refine their own preferences.

It's probably a net negative right now because the "ship it what's the problem team" pressure is intense and stupid and demoralizing and miserable to work under. But I think it will stabilize and it might be a net positive in future projects.

chatmasta2 days ago
> business people don't understand why you can't just put their app in production

I’d flip that around and say that engineers don’t understand that sometimes you _can_ just put their app into production. It might take some cleanup, and some clever ways of deploying it in isolation, but some of these “vibe coded prototypes” — many made by technical business people (they do exist) – are much closer to production-ready than you might initially assume.

I’d encourage you to challenge your assumptions before dismissing the possibility. I’ve personally seen this workflow produce real production code, used by customers, in an extremely rapid feedback loop. Now is the time to adapt, not push back. Keep an open mind or you’ll be left behind.

SlinkyOnStairs2 days ago
> Keep an open mind or you’ll be left behind.

An open mind to what? To yolo deployment of dodgy code straight into production? Moving fast and breaking things?

> I’ve personally seen this workflow produce real production code, used by customers, in an extremely rapid feedback loop.

Yes. I've seen it as well. I've also seen what happens. It goes wrong.

Should the engineers building your cars, your house, all other infrastructure also "keep an open mind" to slopping up their work?

Your next words will be "I'm not working on something safety critical".

You are. Even the most basic CRUD app handling personal data of any kind of safety critical these days. Data leaks alone KILL.

gwerbin2 days ago
I actually agree with you, although I don't agree with the "open your mind or be left behind" sentiment. I left it implicit in my example, but in my actual experience they actually can't put it in production as it is because there are genuine broken things or features they can't add without rewriting big chunks of the system. The worst are the ones that are not obviously broken but are just wrong, like incorrect numbers in a financial report.

But yes, I do agree that some engineers and some engineering teams are slow and cautious where it's not needed, to the point of obstructing rapid prototyping and iteration. And yes I agree that AI will be good to help push them to overcome it.

Ancalagon2 days ago
I cannot wait for those business people to run the ops themselves for their vibe coded apps in production.
okamiueru1 day ago
As someone who's had to deal with a fair share of these types of sentiments, they have been, without exception, based on incompetence, and demonstrably wrong.

That isn't to say that there aren't cases where "just do the happy path" is actually sufficient, and the right thing to do. However, and bit overly simplified, but the non-happy-path is almost always the important parts of a system. It's the monitoring. Disaster recovery. Error handling and correction. Well thought out data models that prepare for future features, etc.

_the_inflator1 day ago
In all honesty: no, and no.

Security, legal considerations, internal controls and tracking for monitoring.

See, corporate means usually financial services. Money laundering is a thing here and there are deliberately checks and controls implemented as well as boundaries which don't allow for "deploy to PROD instantly" processes since they pose a red flag.

For example, PEN testing is mandatory as well as token handling to connect to the right backend.

Legal, as a hint, has a show stopping word in here. Every text, that surfaces, needs to be approved first, and also documented. "How inflexibel and anti-business" you might think, but here is the kicker: the wrong words as well as wording gets you into trouble faster than you can imagine.

Here is one example out of many dangerous mistakes, that cost you dearly besides a noticeable shitstorm:

We (one of the largest banks operating globally) were 2017 (!) already closely monitored which means, every change would not be undetected. And we are not talking about days later, but instantly, seconds later.

We have to follow certain obligations in certain countries to conform to legislation. So we are also obliged to incorporate changes, but these had to follow strictly the letters of the law. So if you deploy this change 5 minutes too early or too late for a specific day, you could be hit by a lawsuit. Ridiculous you might say and I somehow have to agree but my opinion does not play a relevant role here or better: won't change because I follow law while keeping my opinion.

And this is also something that disallows for the "vibe code to PROD" myth: Usually many teams and departments are involved.

I am glad I worked in corporate, because my understanding went from the cocky and totally arrogant "One team from us would beat you all easily. You are totally outdated." line to the "Well, now I understand that it is a difference to be under scrutiny globally and have to define responsibility as well as accountability depending on the context. And god forgive me, that I had no insights into a huge regulated machine, that has serious redundancy, however it works and rebels do more harm than good."

yourapostasy2 days ago
> Now is the time to adapt, not push back. Keep an open mind or you’ll be left behind.

That’s not the gating factor. Who picks up the liability accountability and picks up the pager duty at o’dark thirty when it breaks in production, that’s the big gate. That long tail of accountability for operational risk weeds out a ton of Eager Ethan’s who want to see something go live yesterday. Because the success of launching has many fathers while the failures in the operational long tail is an orphan.

Get them to sign up for the long tail troubleshooting operations of the product. They are after all, now the SME on the product having built 90% of it. The full promise of AI in such a world is deploying and operating an AI-forward application is an artificial distinction, and full conviction means fully committing to the operational model.

slyzmud2 days ago
I've working on a small side project with a non technical friend for a couple months. It's really small but we are selling it to some clients.

The other day my friend discovered lovable and vibe coded an entire app and he started feeling like I was scamming him. Why would I take weeks or months in building our app if he could do it on hours?

He might be stubborn but ended up blindly believing me, but I couldn't find a good way of explaining that a prototype wasn't a final product. It has lots of errors, doesn't consider edge cases and it's impossible to fix if something breaks. Of course what I said didn't mean much because he didn't understand what I was talking about.

How do you communicate this problem? That there's much more than what you see in a frontend? Seems really hard to explain to non technical people.

gwerbin2 days ago
It's the same problem we've had all along though, right? Maybe it's magnified now but the essence of the confusion is the same.
9rx2 days ago
Show it. Pick a missed edge case or breaking point in his app and demonstrate the pain the customer is going to encounter. You don't have to live in the realm of hypotheticals. He has given you a concrete, but flawed, implementation that offers proof of your message.
throwaway987972 days ago
let them launch and fail

it’s the only way they learn

iamjs2 days ago
> It's very likely that at some point they had to explicitly tell Claude "don't worry about that and just make an assumption",

Non technical folks vibe coding aren't explicitly telling Claude anything other than "Accept"

nitwit0051 day ago
That will never get fixed. Early in my career I demoed a Java Swing UI, emphasized it didn't actually do anything repeatedly. A manager declared it done. They'd "seen it working".
8note2 days ago
it would be fun to get access to those chat logs, to pull out detailed requirements decisions and get some more structure together
almostdeadguy2 days ago
If you can vibe code it, you can vibe deploy it, and deal with the consequences.
bluefirebrand2 days ago
> This is going to come down to healthy organization dynamics, and hopefully represents a learning opportunity for leadership

What is it like working for organizations with healthy dynamics and leadership that is capable of learning?

I don't think I've ever encountered it in my professional career.

cube002 days ago
> The thing is basically already done!

I'm seeing so many of these come in with "this is 95% done, just need a couple of minor tweaks for production release"

"Minor tweaks" being fix the layout so it's not messed up if the browser isn't exactly 1920px wide, sometimes these filters and sorting don't seem to work right and the app doesn't seem to refresh new values properly after an action.

No matter the issue it's pre-estimated by the business as "should be a quick fix, for an experienced dev" because they (allegedly) did 95% of the work already.

getnormality2 days ago
Could we hop on a quick call to get a quick status on that quick fix?
cube001 day ago
Just wanted to check in on how we're tracking, I've booked a quick sync meeting for 4:45pm on Friday followed by a release cadence checkpoint meeting for 9am on Monday.
Nition2 days ago
> In the future they will come with their 'ready' solution, already 'working' and be even less receptive

This has already been common in the audio engineering world for some time, as home demos of music approach professional quality. As you forsee here, people get used to what they have and become even less inclined to accept changes in a new professional mix.

testdelacc12 days ago
There was this video which showed film directors doing something similar. They film their scene with “filler” music previously used in some other film. Then they hand the scene to the music director and ask a score for it, which forces the director to make something very similar to the filler music. It then makes all film music sound similar.

This was only possible due to the “productivity boost” of digital editing pipelines, which allowed directors to edit immediately after filming.

https://youtu.be/7vfqkvwW2fs from 5:50 on but the whole video is a masterpiece.

darth_avocado2 days ago
> We already have the business side come with requirements in the form of 'solutions' that they have thought up

We have that too and more often than not, it’s not what a customer wants. Yes there are some very talented customer facing people (PMs, CSMs, TAMs etc.) that also have a natural knack for translating customer problems into product features with great usability. However, for the rest, skipping the part of defining the problem and letting other functions to come up with a solution, usually leads to catastrophic messes that waste a lot of engineering and other resources. When someone shows up with a solution, you risk wasting months of resources in making production ready software, only to find, customers hate it and the solution either doesn’t fix the problem or introduces new ones.

frde_me2 days ago
I honestly much prefer this to the old way where the only mode of communication was speech or text. I now often understand a lot more holistically what the person coming with their product wants with just a demo + a conversation.

Of course you need the person making that vibe product to understand it's just a mockup of their idea and that it'll change. But I would argue this has always been a necessary quality for a product person.

dominotw2 days ago
thats really sad that only way you can understand something is with pictures and demos. like a little toddler.

when they already come up with a working model it doesnt really leave any room for abstract thought because now you are in concerte world . They see you as a machine that turns mocks into impls ( maybe you youself see yourself like that).

its ok if you see yourself as a code monkey monkey doing menial job of implementing someones mockup. But that job wont be here long and you will be on the streets holding "can turn working mocks to production code for food" signs.

honestly your attitude scares me more than some business guy building crap in lovable.

frde_me2 days ago
I can understand words, but having more diverse medias for communication lets a person express strictly more than before.

Sometimes words are better, sometimes a visual demo is better.

Is your solution to the problem you presented that you should artificially restrict what a person can express just to keep your own personal moat?

I prefer the alternative, let a person express themselves and grow thanks to AI, while keeping the necessary culture and boundaries to where it's also accepted for _me_ to cross boundaries and express my ideas to them in the same way. Or suggest other ways to express those ideas.

We then become a marketplace of ideas in a much deeper sense than before, where product managers would already expect you to implement what they want, but without them being able to convey it properly.

If I didn't have original ideas and didn't think I could compete in that marketplace of ideas, I would be scared like you convey in your message. But I'm confident that my value is not about translating things into code, it's because I have original thoughts I can convey to other people (and to AIs). (and about understanding architecture and systems to a degree that keeps me valuable even if all the code itself is written by AI without my direct involvement)

tanseydavid2 days ago
A (good) picture is worth 1024 words.
snayan1 day ago
Holy projection batman.

Might I suggest taking a step back and asking yourself why you were so triggered by the prior post. You made a bunch of mental leaps that are not supported by the prior post. Won't waste my time going through all of them, but the suggestion that they couldn't understand before has no basis in reality, they merely said it's easier to understand with increased fidelity of mocks.

The words can't hurt you. Deep breaths. :)

If your goal was discourse, might I suggest leaving the insults out of the message, it rarely is effectual.

If your goal was simply to insult, might I suggest leaving HNs, your anger and insults do the community a disservice.

throwaway987972 days ago
no business person will ever want to consider the right tradeoffs without being forced to

the ai making assumptions can’t get it right

xboxnolifes2 days ago
What an insane replay.
girvo2 days ago
I can say that its happening right now (not where I work, at a place I used to). Even being shipped to production as-is, with data loss and security issues in tow. We're cooked haha
ex-aws-dude2 days ago
I’ve seen that play out already as well

Then your job as SE just becomes reviewing and untangling vibe-coded stuff

osti3 days ago
I think Jane Street is an Anthropic investor, so take it fwiw.
karolist3 days ago
With a huge pile of salt

> In July 2025, the Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) alleged that Jane Street used multiple entities for market manipulation and barred it from accessing the market.

benced3 days ago
Anyone with knowledge of Indian regulatory culture would not take this as dispositive.
lloydatkinson3 days ago
Such as them not paying the required bribes
l23k43 days ago
Incompetent SEBI went after Jane Street for closing an arb, what about it?
chvid3 days ago
As I understand Jane Street they have done great things for OCaml and they also do their own web framework (I guess that big money bin needs a lot of dashboards).

I think the designer here takes a wrong approach and sort of falls into engineer envy where he wants to make prototypes as deep and realistic as possible. And that is not really the most important part of the design job.

The most important thing is that the right thing gets build (why do we need a JSQL input box? what do we actually want? what are other ways to do this?). And this is often better done with pen and paper sketches, meetings, observation, discussions ... rather than too quickly narrowing on a particular design and spinning into discussions on whether buttons should be on the left or on the right, LLM intricacies etc.

vasco3 days ago
Taking it slow with paper and interviews works if you think about what you're doing. The other option now is shut down brain and press the slot machine lever one more time. One of the designs has got to be good soon.
risyachka3 days ago
This. LLMs helping implement many ideas is a curse and the results speak for themselves.

As a non-designer I want to see a thought through 1-2 ideas, not 10 ideas you coded with llm and now the burden of thinking which one is better and why is for some reason is on me.

ehmorris2 days ago
(I’m the author) making ideas legible and testing them with users is part of the design process regardless of tooling. You can summarize this article as “I find LLMs more effective at making ideas legible vs figma - for the work I’m doing at Jane Street”. This has helped me iterate and it helps me test with users and get better feedback from them. I’m not just prompting “make no design mistakes” over and over.
flyinglizard3 days ago
People are much better at saying what they don’t want rather than thinking about what they do. It’s more effective to throw everything in using LLMs, then using human judgment to sculpt away.
risyachka3 days ago
>> It’s more effective to throw everything in using LLMs, then using human judgment to sculpt away.

Not really. Maybe its effective from designer side but from other side that has to review all those ideas it is exhausting and counterproductive. Especially when it is in code.

You really don't need a real prototype for most things. Simple visual is more than enough to present an idea and explain etc. In fact, it is often much better as you can see all flows in canvas at once.

With interactive prototype to see all flows of a feature you have to go through each one, which again is very uneffective.

raincole3 days ago
Even if they're not, I'm not sure if we should care a quantitative trading firm's opinions on frontend design...
solenoid09372 days ago
Jane St's hiring bar is higher than 99% of the tech industry, maybe even 99.5-99.9%. Blog posts from companies like this are interesting in the same way that papers from well respected journals are interesting.
zuzululu3 days ago
Why not ? They might have client facing apps or internal research applications. Such a weird comment.
wartywhoa233 days ago
The whole HN is one huge AI ad now.
josephg3 days ago
I think AI programming just has a bliss period for a lot of people where it feels like you can solve every problem with a prompt. And you can, for a time. Eventually the chickens come home to roost and you realise what a mess you made.

Give it some time. We’ll figure out what LLMs are good and bad at. I think vibe engineering will eventually go up on the wall next to static vs dynamic typing and vi vs eMacs.

At least, that assumes AI models won’t keep improving by leaps and bounds. We’re in a transition period. It’s gonna be chaos.

JumpCrisscross3 days ago
> eventually the chickens come home to roost and you realise what a mess you made

But a lot of times they don't. Devs building websites for small businesses used to be a thing, and it was almost universally a crap product. Practically every restaurant in my small town has been able to take control of their own website with AI, and it's a better experience for everyone.

Rapid digitisation meant a lot of low-value work wound up being done by high-value people. The economy is pivoting away from that configuration. The high-value folks getting displaced are pissed, partly rightly, partly out of spite. The folks who had to pay those bills are ecstatic, mostly overexuberantly, but in part correctly.

finghin3 days ago
I think there’s a good chance low effort AI content and vibecoding effectively become an eternal September
k8sToGo3 days ago
Yesterday I needed a tool for a specific task. In 1 hour I created a working tool with antigravity. Is it something I'd publish or sell or offer to others? Probably not, but I found that quite impressive. It is an extension of the idea "now I can program and create everything."

Besides I remember what kind of code we had when we first started coding with AI and now with all these coding agents etc. it has become quite impressive.

However, at the end it is still a tool and needs to be used accordingly.

munksbeer1 day ago
> I think vibe engineering will eventually go up on the wall next to static vs dynamic typing and vi vs eMacs.

What do you mean by "vibe engineering"?

It really depends on what you mean by this on how people can agree or disagree with you.

My guess is that in any sense that you mean it, you're almost certainly wrong. AI coding and engineering will continue to improve until any developer who refuses to use it will be unemployable at corporate gigs, and outcompeted even in freelance stuff.

t_mahmood3 days ago
Hey, at least vi vs emacs is fun, no matter how crappy as an editor Emacs is, no one is getting paid by privacy invasive corporate, to sway people, to cash out more money
luka22333 days ago
I was literally reading through another thread[0] where the OP claimed that HN is anti-AI. I guess HN is decently balanced afterall?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48420827

alfirous2 days ago
And the comments you reply to prove the point made by Dang.
chvid3 days ago
I thought we were too anti-AI?
ozim3 days ago
Depends which agent you ask to cherry pick comments for sentiment analysis.
simondotau3 days ago
Pro- or anti-AI, it's seemingly related or tangentially related to half of the discussions on HN.
jwpapi3 days ago
I’m looking for an alternative too..
signatoremo3 days ago
Well, confirmation bias. You see what support your beliefs, ignoring anti AI articles being promoted.
deepfriedchokes2 days ago
It’s some Sun Tzu shit. Create a sense of inevitability such that they win the war for financial capital without any fighting, then hope the tech catches up before Capitalists realize they’ve been fleeced. The Dotcom bubble was the same scam.
wartywhoa232 days ago
This, absolutely. It's pure chutzpah, acting like you've already won and poisoning minds with inevitablism, alreadism and FOMO.
bitvvip2 days ago
Do you still know the Art of War by Sun Tzu?
OtomotO3 days ago
It's a cult. And frankly, I am not interested in churches or cults.
Terr_3 days ago
In between some old family history and recent US politics, I think there are other things I'd rather reserve the weighty word "cult" for... However, should it arise, one of the features that might convince me is this:

In the name of "loyalty" or "faith" cults require members to burn their bridges, actively cutting off their own potential to escape to any other social support network. That may mean creating enemies out of former associates, humiliating rituals or blackmail material, or simply ruining their reputations through obvious lies.

simondotau3 days ago
The utility of current-era AI may well be overstated, and the business models of certain companies might be doubtful, but that doesn't make AI it a "cult".
narrator3 days ago
It's also a huge ad for microprocessors. I mean don't people realize we did math before microprocessors? We even had mechanical machines which were much more elegant than these electronic abominations. /s
jstummbillig3 days ago
Maybe a random employees mildly interesting blog post is not exactly where we need to look for a psyop. But that is maybe what they want you to think.
blitzar3 days ago
Gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers in this racket.

I myself, I pump my investments at least twice a day. Once in the morning, right after I work out. And then once right after lunch.

I want to, that's not why I do it. I do it cause I fuckin' need to.

Sparkyte3 days ago
Most are. Some are paid for.

I'm not saying AI isn't a good tool. However the less you understand what you're using and what you're doing the further you stand to geopardize the business you're working for.

onlyrealcuzzo2 days ago
Jane Street is an investor in most things.

How much does that matter?

Surely, we would expect Jane Street to invest in one of the major AI companies, right?

prakashn273 days ago
This is why hn is the best. First comment helps to decide if we need to read the article or not .
conradfr3 days ago
> Claude gave me free, unlimited iteration, unbothered when I changed my mind for the 50th time or asked for a small tweak

Do you not pay for Claude?

NitpickLawyer3 days ago
> free, unlimited iteration, unbothered when I changed my mind

I think they mean that specifically in working with 3rd party per-project / freelance designers you usually get a "first draft + one adjustment" price, then every modification costs more. Similar for small design shops. Prices aren't necessarily per hour, as you'd get from developers.

mexicocitinluez2 days ago
Slightly related: I was in an interview once where it was the CEO, lead dev, and lead designer and inevitable "What are your weaknesses?" question came up. I answered honestly, which was that not only am I really bad at design, I also have issues extrapolating for design systems. It's really hard for me to land on something I think looks okay and in that process almost inevitably always makes it worse. The designer interviewing me took this personally and laid into me about it.

It's not the first time, either. They didn't like the non-stop questions about how things should look and really wanted it to be a one-and-done type of handoff. Even at marketing and advertising agencies, I was fighting with them to give me samples of how things not in their design spec should look. I'm not saying I was right, but that's just a huge Achilles heal for me.

So when someone says

> free, unlimited iteration, unbothered

That's immediately what comes to mind. Not necessarily money, but time and patience. Bolt (which is the tool I use for protyping) never gets mad me. It might not produce the best designs, but they are miles ahead of what I'm capable of. When I'm done, I'll have a real designer make it look better, but until then I don't have to worry about pissing someone off.

kevmo3143 days ago
Free with an easy monthly payment of $20!
hparadiz3 days ago
When you are used to ordering humans around that are paid a salary measured in tens of thousands $20 seems like nothing in comparison.
krzyk3 days ago
Yeah, for people that work in orgs that are < 150 people. For others it pay by token (API pricing).
theshrike792 days ago
Team pricing is WAY over $20 a month. But still cheaper than API.
LoganDark3 days ago
50 iterations on the Pro plan? You kidding?
nikanj3 days ago
50 iterations of CSS / layout? Easy, not even pushing it. A freelancer will cuss you out after 3-4 rounds of re-doing everything, but an LLM is happy to keep generating.
_zoltan_3 days ago
20 dollars for this is practically free.
satvikpendem3 days ago
Free as in creative freedom without manual effort, not price.
dcre2 days ago
Jane Street’s profit per employee (profit, not revenue) in 2025 was high single-digit millions per employee.
discordance3 days ago
I’ve been using Claude Design for my front ends. The output looks and feels good enough, but the designs often look very similar and generally adhere to contemporary web tropes.

Keen to hear if anyone has had unconventional creative adventures with it.

JasonSage3 days ago
I've had that experience and I've started testing different prompts and inputs.

I find it funny about meeting requirements when you give them, and making safe choices when you don't give direction. So if you're going to rate the output aesthetics and UX/content, but you don't prompt especially much around the aesthetics, you're only getting the safe assumed defaults. It's good at making bootstrap/tailwind clone designs unless you work that angle. For simple web pages, I've started making this the only focus for initial iteration.

firemelt3 days ago
any tips for design/aesthetics prompts?
JasonSage1 day ago
I keep a bookmarks folder of websites that have non-cookie-cutter design.

If I have an aesthetic in mind I'll use some screenshots of those sites in the prompt and phrase their inclusion as: "Look at these slightly non-standard designs that work really well for me." So far I've only seen Claude look for through-lines and high-level takeaways--"user likes <design feature> based on the screenshots, so I'll include that"--and screenshots aren't currently a granularity level where it can lift specific details or produce something derivative.

Other than that I try to encourage specific consideration of: type scale, borders and rounding, padding/whitespace, elevation as shadow vs blur, colors. I don't think one needs to pull every customization lever on every project.

techpression3 days ago
I’ve done a few different things, some different presentations, web mockups etc. They all look more or less identical out of the box, and in every single case of a presentation, Claude Design has zero concept of layout boundaries, happily making slides that expand 200% or more out of the visible viewport (I have a lot of content and it just can’t figure out nice ways of presenting it).

There’s still value in it for me, I get decent enough output to convey my intent and I sometimes manually tweak the HTML.

Defining fonts is a good way to at least not get the same typography as everyone else.

jaapz3 days ago
Most applications don't need unconventional creativity though.
hparadiz3 days ago
Most applications are years long projects that already have styling and code structure done by humans so if the mock up is not perfectly aligned it doesn't even matter because when you finally approve the design and get to building it; that's where the pixel perfect tweaking comes in. And again if it's a mature code base with an existing stylesheet it tends to come out with all the expectations you'd have of it because it's re-using components that already exist 99% of the time.
qingcharlesabout 20 hours ago
Exactly. 99% of sites don't need bleeding edge design and fancy fonts.
epolanski3 days ago
I use claude design too. It has been suggested to me by some very respected and experienced designers which now prototype almost exclusively in claude and then when happy refine in figma.

By the way, you can always tune your prompts to not be generic, if you ask for generic UIs without detailed styling prompts you will get generic designs.

fragmede3 days ago
But then how do they get it back out from Figma and make it live?
FireBeyond2 days ago
It would seem a circuitous process and I'd suggest another workflow, but Claude Design can ingest Figma files.
epolanski2 days ago
That was never a designer's concern?

By the way figma has a decent mcp that you can connect your LLMs to and extract the design tokens from.

Reebz1 day ago
[Take a look at my portfolio site](https://reebz.com), please view on desktop. This is about 3 weeks of effort to date. It is unfinished, but you get the idea.

Just like SaaS boilerplate from the decade prior, there is LLM boilerplate (since it’s trained on the internet).

So if you put in enough elbow-grease anything is (still) possible!

rirze1 day ago
This is amazing.
monkeydust3 days ago
Same, you can instruct it specifically to look non-standard and give it examples of website styles I want. After some wrangling it feels a bit more creative but takes prompting.
itake3 days ago
Do you have any like dyes or work clothes describing this process?

I don’t know what prompted to get it away from the base model and any of like the non-standard web design like styles are a little bit too harsh for me if that makes sense. Like for example I like brutalist design, but it just feels heavy sometimes on the apps that I’m making.

I’ve tried to get the AI to describe a style based on the product name or you know it seem that I wanna have for example travel. But then it creates us like steal, amorphic design where everything looks like a boarding pass airplane ticket.

slopinthebag3 days ago
Sort of, I've given it examples of unconventional UI's and then had it sort of create a mashup of them and it's been decent. But I feel like that's cheating.
designerarvid3 days ago
The benefit here is designers learning to code. It was always weird to me that designers were shaping software without knowing how it was built. I'm a designer btw.

However, designing in code is technology-first. One could argue that the purpose of design - to shape the artifacts for human purpose - is better done NOT starting with the strict rules of code. Pen and paper is still hard to beat, not for anything that looks nice, but for helping your mind forward.

polyterative2 days ago
I've been a full stack and frontend focused engineer for six years and got sick of writing code by hand. Moved to design. Now since I can code with my voice basically I'm getting back into vibe coding and building products. And it's awesome. My bosses still trying to figure out the new situation though, i think the old school separation of roles is starting to die.Being on the intersection I think is the best place to be right now. I feel like my whole life I've been preparing for this moment.
iLoveOncall2 days ago
> The benefit here is designers learning to code.

Designers aren't learning to code.

My wife works as a product manager in a FAANG and her team has leaned extremely heavily in using AI to vibe-code some pieces of software that they would have done on Word, Excel or similar otherwise.

They're not learning to code, they don't even look at the code a single second.

designerarvid2 days ago
Generalising sure feels good doesn’t it?
halapro3 days ago
> without knowing how it was built

It helps to understand the constraints of a medium, but you really don't need to know every level down to the electrons moving through the silicon.

designerarvid3 days ago
Certainly, it helps the architect to know the constraints of concrete and bricks, but you don’t really have to know every level of down to the chemistry.
vdfs3 days ago
LLM usually make you forget coding, it doubt it's good for learning if you use in this way. For a designer it would be similar to Figma where he see the result and can edit it using language instead of visual editor
micromacrofoot2 days ago
having an llm produce code isn't learning how to code, it's learning how to use a tool to produce code

maybe that doesn't matter though, I suspect many developers will no longer look at all the code they produce either

designerarvid2 days ago
Many nuances and “it depends” here in my experience. Is learning git part of “learning to code”? Some learn, others don’t.

Of course hammering away prompts aren’t learning at all.

micromacrofoot2 days ago
indeed, I know some great developers that use git but haven't ever learned it
physicsguy2 days ago
Of course but sometimes designers like architects design something that can’t easily be built.
illwrks2 days ago
You need designers that have worked closely with engineers and have their head screwed on.
ozim3 days ago
But then you „design like software developers”.
consp3 days ago
What's wrong with a good cli?
9467899876493 days ago
My mum doesn't know how to use a cli.
trinsic22 days ago
> There’s also a fear I have that designing with Claude keeps me out of a fluid, creative mindset and stuck in an iterative one, constrained to the outcomes I think Claude can produce. That’s fine for mature tools, where changes are iterative, but might mean I miss ideas when working on something new

I some times notice this. the LLM cant see past the interation so I have to think outside the box and say, what if we look at it from this perspective, and suddenly a new way of designing it comes into existance. Somes times I have to create a flow chart to get the LLM to see past its own progression steps.

lifeisstillgood3 days ago
>>> prototypes are living proposal docs, the code is disposable, and a reviewer’s job is to give feedback about the design and user experience. Eventually, reviewers still take over the idea and implement it in a separate feature, referencing the prototype but owning the production code

That’s solves an issue I have with all POC - a really good approach

ale3 days ago
The article does not come from someone who relies of Figma for a living. It's easy to call it a "proposal doc" when you're working on a specific issue for a specific product. There are still millions of designers who use Figma to define and maintain design systems that span across products and platforms, where Figma is the source of truth.
alexpatin1 day ago
Designer here. There is a lot of pressure at the startup I work at to use AI for everything so we can 'move faster'. Often working with vague requirements. Given leaderships inexperience building software, having something to look at and point to is helpful for sussing out requirements and edge cases.

Figma is still my preferred canvas. Figjam is still great for rough wireframes, flows, and agreeing on data models with my eng counterparts.

But Claude accelerates the divergent early stage 'exploration' work. Unfortunately we don't take the time to properly validate the concepts with customers. Again in the name of 'moving fast'. They will learn eventually I guess.

I'm getting off-topic. Claude is super helpful. As time passes I'm doing more and more work with it. But sometimes taking my design system and pushing pixels is genuinely faster when there is an obvious solution, opposed to ensuring Claude has all the right context to solve a relatively simple problem.

All depends on what I'm working on really.

kcrwfrd_3 days ago
We are doing this on my team (I am the frontend engineer) and honestly I really miss the old way of doing things.

Written specifications are being reduced in favor of these working prototypes, and now there’s this extra cognitive burden of reading the code and trying to determine what were the intended changes, and what’s the slop that needs to be tossed aside.

We also have to figure out, should we take over this generated PR and make any needed changes? Or do we start over from scratch? There’s often a sense of friction either way.

There have been times where a bunch of unintended changes were generated and I took time to port them over on my reimplementation, and then later on it’s “oops! Sorry! We didn’t mean to change that.”

I get it’s empowering but it does take away from some of the joy I used to find in my work and replaced it with some headaches.

drpotato3 days ago
I am in a similar boat. Design and product use Claude to vibe design/code a feature/experience and rapidly prototype it, getting it in front of customers to get feedback with minimal engineering time. Amazing! However, you might be surprised to find out it hasn’t really helped us ship stuff faster overall.

The reason, I believe, is we’ve lost something along the way. Thinking. A non-trivial amount of which is now outsourced to a language model. It paints over the cracks in the prompt, hallucinates how things should work when unspecified, what would normally make someone stop and say “this isn’t quite working”, “how should I communicate this idea” or “what happens when…” has gone. Now, these details are left for after it’s been built proper.

Sure, we can improve the process and reflect more on how to utilise this new technique … but is it better than how things used to be? Yeah nah

hparadiz3 days ago
I did this before AI though. I'd sometimes just build mockups directly in React using real components because it was quick and easy to put a form together with existing UI elements. I remember one project where the whole team was waiting on designs and I just came into stand up and was like "I built this yesterday. Is this what we wanted?"
drpotato3 days ago
Have a single thought, please.
MikeNotThePope3 days ago
My experience has been there’s more “what did it make and does it work?” overhead. It’s like a junior developer throwing stuff over the wall and I’m responsible for seeing if it sticks.
Iolaum3 days ago
Why not ask Claude design to write a document fully specifying the prototype?
_zoltan_3 days ago
The code is not meant to be read anymore. That's the mistake.

Do you look at generated assembly that comes out of your compiler? You don't. So why are you looking at this code?

We have pushed up the abstraction layer.

movedx013 days ago
> So why are you looking at this code?

Because I am getting the call to fix it when it breaks. I don't have to fix assembly by hand because compilers are deterministic and I have maybe encountered a single real compiler bug in my whole career. Compilers have earned my trust. LLMs are eroding that trust more and more every day I work with them. I encounter LLM-created problems in basically every single diff they surface for me, just over the months the diffs are getting bigger and harder to review and uncover the problems.

LLMs are not an abstraction(not even a bad one) because by design what they are doing is disambiguation. Compilers are not doing that, what you put IN the compiler has to be unambiguous in the first place.

Disambiguation is not a functionality of an abstraction layer. A good abstraction layer is the one I don't have to understand and can trust, if I have to understand its inner workings to use it it ceases to be an abstraction. Except with LLMs you can't even do that, they are a black box you can have no hope of understanding.

And it is not to say LLMs and agentic coding tools are not useful, they are absolutely very useful. They are just not an abstraction layer.

lelanthran2 days ago
> We have pushed up the abstraction layer.

That's not what "abstraction" means. You wouldn't hire a designer and then call their work an "abstraction", would you?

It's something, but "abstraction" it aint.

Profan3 days ago
Good engineers should understand what goes on underneath them in the stack (at decreasing accuracy probably the more layers away it is) if they care about their craft and the quality of it, even if not in perfect detail, if you're just acknowledging that you've never even tried, then perfect! The AI "revolution" is just right for you.
_zoltan_3 days ago
your two statements can be true at the same time: I do not need to look at the code because I know exactly what it does.

do I care for every snippet? every call's signature? no I do not.

do I understand what it does 100%? yes, because I directed it to be built like that.

I don't get people like you. "care about their craft" - what craft? my job is to make ideas into reality, how I get there is irrelevant. this is what I get paid for and this is what gets me satisfaction.

I've always disliked spending weeks arguing with people about every little detail and having an ideaological war. From the end output most of the decisions that people who "care about their craft" care about are utterly irrelevant.

kcrwfrd_2 days ago
I catch so much shit when I read the code. I’ll take this into consideration when I’m no longer catching poorly made slop all the time.
_zoltan_2 days ago
that's not the LLM's fault. I iterate and give very specific instructions and my code is really good.
zuzululu3 days ago
old way that was clunky, long feedback cycles and gate keeping UI

no thanks. BE boys do FE now

MayCXC1 day ago
With a vibecoded multiplayer web IDE for our flutter app, I have two nontechnical team members prototype app features from a browser all day. The outcome is a git branch with functional dart code, and a strictly more powerful design prompt than figma make. Claude built its own claude -p harness that communicates with the browser via websocket flawlessly. To use our max subscription after [1] takes effect, we are considering adapting that setup to an approach like [2] instead.

[1] https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054610152817619388

[2] https://lanes.sh/blog/claude-billing-split

t0mas883 days ago
I use the same approach a lot. Before AI I also did this manually. First sit down with a user and just paper and pencil, then hack together a frontend POC / demo, have them play with it and adjust until it works as they wanted.

For me building a quick (not production quality) frontend demo in code was already often faster than getting the right interaction working in Figma. And it allowed to make it fully interactive so you can catch much more edge cases on the UX side.

Now with Claude Code it's even faster to build the throw away prototype. But not a huge difference since discussing with the users and thinking about how it should work is 80% of the time. Claude maybe halves the other 20% compared to quickly doing it yourself. Faster to first version, slower to iterate if it didn't fully get it.

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hemc43 days ago
Even for the large products, figma is not the starting point for new concepts anymore. I start with a quick prototype on dev environment and then share it with designer for further improvements in figma or in the app itself. With every new model or agent improvement, going back to figma for polishing the ui is decllinig. If we can find a way to keep the frontend code static templates without complex logic, need for this polishing in figma will go away completey as llms can understand it one context window. With the modern frameworks designed for client side rendering, keeping everything in one context is still tricky.
saaspirant3 days ago
I use LLMs to design things and build wireframes. Product people can actually play with the wireframes and it's trivial to implement changes. And same LLM generated files can be used to guide the LLM to build the actual pages too.
nixpulvis2 days ago
Hey Edwin. Glad to see your post pop up. I remember doing a hackathon with you back in like 2012/2013.

I think the ability to get to a working prototype faster is very empowering, even if some will be tempted to ship these incomplete ideas. Design and UX needs benefits greatly from being able to play with it, and experience the actual flows beyond just a storyboard and wireframes.

ehmorris1 day ago
Hi!
weitendorf3 days ago
You should note that Claude Design is most likely a DPO->PPO->Actor-Critic bootstrap play: https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.18290 / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximal_policy_optimization / https://spinningup.openai.com/en/latest/algorithms/sac.html

It's much harder to RL out design taste because it's not self-grounding, and human labelers have no real skin in the game, so this (having a human with a vested outcome in the process directing a model's work) is the best way to get LLMs better at design/"taste"/aesthetic judgment themselves. We were working on the same thing 7 months ago and then I realized that winning over designers to do this would be a huge uphill battle setting up an inevitable fall from grace later on.

What makes me most suspicious of Claude Design is that when you disconnect and reconnect later, it loses context and nags you that the product doesn't work like that. Bullshit. It's at best an anti-abuse/implementation detail (to keep you from launching 10 at once and coming back to them later) or product shortcoming that just so happens to be optimized for keeping you from continuing your design in better tools than theirs for the inevitable followups.

It's great for one shots and it makes sense when you're trying to build a vertical product development stack like Anthropic but I'm disappointed it feels more like a tool optimized for keeping you in their product than for what you're working on. If a company other than Anthropic had shipped this - it's not that hard to build a visual self-eval loop, just use Chrome Devtools Protocol to run headless chrome and take screenshots -> feed into a judge LLM for feedback -> continue - I don't think it would really have seen much adoption.

That said, AI trained on Actor-Critic with a tight human feedback loop definitely seems like the right approach to solving the problem, just not something I want to spend my time training for someone else unless I can do so with higher "entropy" ie high parallelism/optionality

gobdovan3 days ago
Where does the article mention Claude Design? It seems to me the author is using LLMs as a tool for iteration, given he is a designer.

Also, you're mentioning a lot of unrelated tech. DPO, PPO, actor-critic, visual self-eval loops, Anthropic's "vertical product development stack" may be interesting, but they are mostly orthogonal. The article's point is simply that a designer can now turn design proposals into working prototypes faster than with Figma.

Also, you mention what seems to be a random product bug about disconnect and reconnect that doesn't have anything to do with this workflow. It seems to me that you're post-rationalising some insights that are not really there.

Good to think things through and in public, not discouraging it. I hope this reads as constructive.

bobkb3 days ago
At work we are now in the process of migrating away from Figma. We had spend years perfecting our Figma based design workflow. Currently we are moving all the designs into the code itself using Storybook. The gap currently is reviews and feedback which is addressed by Chromatic now.
osullivj3 days ago
Sounds like desk strat RAD work is moving to LLM gen code at JS. My recentish experience of that kind of work has been Athena at JPMC and Quartz at BoA; both Python with functional style via DAG or pixie with py ui framework to match. Which enables quick dev of the parts of trading workflow that don't need to be quick, like booking tools or EOD risk. I know first hand Athena and Qz are crufty when you get into the weeds. The bonsai framework with Elm inspired ocaml impl sounds v cool. So I can see how this approach can accelerate a lot of trading tech dev. But does it have any traction over the hard problems where we turn to C++ or Rust: near real pricing and risk across multiple instruments and markets?
dilyevsky3 days ago
Figma make and gpt designer have a bunch of catching up to do. I couldn’t even import our brand guidelines into make which is already a .fig like what are we even doing here, guys? CD crunches through ungodly amount of tokens and is really slow on iteration but at least you can get some really nice prototypes extremely quickly there. GPT beats any Anthropic models on illustrations so they really should get a grip on multimodal. Overall, it seems like we’re still super early but you can already see glimpses of what may come
firemelt3 days ago
amyone know how to use claude design more effectively I always alhave a feeling I use a slot machine

from 6 sessions and 5 projects only one template that I choose anything else is really really bad

tsouth22 days ago
Claude is pretty great at designing certain images. For favicons, logos, og cards, it does extremely well. For full image generation, I go elsewhere.
satvikpendem3 days ago
I worry about Figma stock, I know some who bought during the IPO who are now underwater. Figma launched their own design agent but not sure how well that's doing.
jen729w3 days ago
> I know some who bought during the IPO who are now underwater

Yeah you don't say. High of $124, currently $22. But hey: that's ~~gambling~~ stock trading for you.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/quote/FIG/

kubb3 days ago
No sympathy from me. I just wish it happened more to people who overpay for stuff like houses or Tesla stock.
JumpCrisscross3 days ago
> I just wish it happened more to people who overpay for stuff like houses or Tesla stock

That's pretty mean. I disagree with a lot of people on their investment choices and evangelism. That doesn't mean I want them to suffer for it.

itemize1231 day ago
how come? this is a very weird take- why is the focus on ppl suffering instead of like fairness or capital / market efficiency ?
fugaziboutit3 days ago
Their efforts at AI have been really sad to see. They tried making an Everything Bagel and seem to have hit a wall, hard.

It's a shame because if they'd taken an iterative approach of automating various parts of a normal Figma workflow to speed things up for users, that would have helped them discover where the value was; lots of little ideas, failing fast, testing and updating.

Maybe they just got too big and lost their mojo.

hckrnrd2 days ago
QQ is your insight from first-hand experience using it in an enterprise production environment? If not, then how did you get to this realization?
meszmate3 days ago
Same here. I mostly use Figma for logos and random assets now.
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janpeuker2 days ago
> workflow improvements that would have taken days or weeks of engineering

It's a nice article and good point but I feel "design" in the title is misleading - the example given has an extremely reduced visual or spatial scope (something models are still not good at). The post is more about rapid prototyping.

tonyoconnell3 days ago
i gave claude code my design system that i built in figma and haven't opened it again. it's much faster designing with your voice.
slopinthebag3 days ago
Honestly, I'm not really pro or anti llm and I think there are a ton of limitations for using it to generate code, but UI has been probably the only thing I've been able to vibe code. It helps that I've done a lot of UI work over the years, but I think the combination of defects being easily visible through normal usage, the UI being a non-critical component of a system (bugs don't cause vulns or data corruption (usually), combined with the amount of churn that UI's see, make it a somewhat uniquely good candidate for vibe coding. Also a lot of UI toolkits are declarative, and I think language models do much better with declarative code.

In a way it's not much different from copy-pasting components from templates or whatever, just with more customisability. And for stuff that isn't HTML-based like React it does worse. It's also not great at building component libraries, I still write those myself with little LLM involvement, but that makes sense because the architecture is actually relevant with that, unlike generating CSS and xml-derived components, which is mostly just declarative templating anyways.

I've had decent success writing the core logic myself and then delegating the UI to AI. I think if I didn't write the core logic it would not work very well, but since it's designed well by myself the AI has a much smaller scope to work in which constrains it enough where vibe coding works. Pretty cool.

misiek083 days ago
Even if this is ad only - are we really ready for a rug pull from Anthropic? Maybe I’m completely unaware in this tools space, but I feel like it’s last tool that’s worth (and not pricey)…
DANmode3 days ago
For SVG and html/css generation?

When they paywall hard, I’ll use a local model on my laptop processor instead,

or phone,

and wait a few hours as needed.

mi_lk3 days ago
Is it just me or the bar to publish janestreet blogposts has been lowered recently?
colesantiago3 days ago
It is not just you.

This is a very disappointing post from Jane Street.

hyperionultra3 days ago
For design tools and website builders tough times ahead. Wix for example lay down 20% of staff in some countries. All due to “optimization” with LLM.

Klankers will fix everything. Right?

awbvious1 day ago
" At present, there are no other major purchasers of AI compute outside of NVIDIA, hyperscalers (who are selling it to Anthropic and OpenAI, or they’re Meta, which has no AI strategy), OpenAI, and Anthropic. None. I can’t find a single one outside of Jane Street spending more than a few hundred million. We need a few hundred billion. " https://www.wheresyoured.at/ai-is-slowing-down/

The one non-circular-financing entity that is heavily spending on AI, is interested in you knowing how wisely they think they are spending their money.

Jane Street isn't one to telegraph their moves (seems like they prefer to Telegram them privately https://protos.com/what-weve-learned-from-terraform-labs-unr... , so not only Jump Crypto felt fine letting everyone believe the ponzi, per these allegations it seems Jane Street did too). If Jane Street is spending the most, and their staff is supposedly high value pay/profit but low headcount, for all the end user knows, their "AI agent" is half chat bot / half software engineer with 20 years experience who checks each result before sending it. Literally the Mechanical Turk scam of hundreds of years ago, where a midget hides in the stand and moves the chess pieces--with shades of Amazon Fresh self checkout. Maybe the higher ups at Jane Street know this, maybe not. But unless they have a closed system that Anthropic can't get into, I would be suspicious. And, of course, they aren't /that/ free from the circular financing because they are a major investor of Anthropic. To me the fact that the blog post doesn't start with a disclosure doesn't seem like a misstep/accident. And if they find out they are being Mechanical-Turked, I think it far more likely they'll find some way of shorting before telling anyone, or they won't tell anyone.

__mharrison__3 days ago
I'm my work as an FDE this week, Copilot did the initial UI. Feedback was given and tells were adjusted all through prompting.
itsTyrion1 day ago
"i design with claude" no, you don't
MayCXC1 day ago
"i design with claude" yes, they do
trick-or-treat3 days ago
I don't see how a coding model competes with figma TBH, an image model maybe but that's a stretch too.
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tam1593 days ago
I still prefer Figma for collaboration
nether12 days ago
I use Claude code a lot for design too but it just does a lot of regurgitation in design too
croes3 days ago
And how much of these designs are used in the end compared to when they where done with Figma?
iLoveOncall3 days ago
> Having joined Jane Street this past summer, I’m finding AI support indispensable. There’s just so much that’s new to me, and so much I’m not good at yet, like OCaml and Bonsai.

Using AI for things you aren't good at, or not experienced with, is literally the worst way to use AI. You WANT to struggle when learning a new language, and use reliable documentation to solve your problems, not circumvent them entirely by using AI.

This is extreme incompetence, I'm shocked that Jane Street would advertise it.

asfjhq3 days ago
They apparently pressure their new hires to blog and talk their book. It happens a lot in U.S. corporations.
ulfw3 days ago
Yea I mean okay JaneStreet. World wide renowned to be a tech design powerhouse...
azangru2 days ago
> Submit a feature (our version of a pull request) that looks and behaves exactly the way I want

What happens after the submission? Who reviews the feature? How long? Are there any limits to the size of the diff? Do reviewers push back? How often are features submitted?

cryo323 days ago
You aren't designing.
bradleykingz2 days ago
honestly, for me, chatgpt has more replaced dribbble than it has figma.

where i'd normally spend hours combing through dribbble looking for inspiration for layouts for specific components (most of the time finding nothing), now I use chatgpt to come up with a number of different designs, then port them over to figma.

most designs produced by cgpt arent production-ready, especially for mobile. figma allows me to set proper constraints (screen size, for example), that give it a more grounded "shape"

for that reason, the actual final design is still by hand for now. however, the translation from design to implementation is greatly sped up by codex, which basically does it pixel-perfect.

all the same, still lots of tweaks needed before the final implementation is ready. design to code still has a bunch of issues that often need figuring out/standardising - font sizes, weights, etc.

this is on mobile btw, where space is very limited. havent worked on a website in a while, but i'd imagine the extra space would allow for far more liberty. i do not miss having to craft ten different designs just to ensure responsiveness. massive pita.

coldtea2 days ago
Funnily, that's the first stage in how you end up designing "will work for food" signs with markers, more than with Figma or Claude...
Hazemamirrr3 days ago
true it is much more easier using claude design rather than Figma yet it does not produce the same output quality.
GoToRO2 days ago
They are not using design. They vibe code the feature.
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itsnkr22933 days ago
Claud design burns lots of tokens
yieldcrv1 day ago
Claude Design is great because I always knew what I needed UX designers to do. A software engineer can pick up frontend UX concepts really easily, but it's just still a full time job to keep up, iterate, do states.

I've worked with graphic designers, whether its 1 person on a team, or a group, or a division, and had the back and forth for years. I've also contracted with many graphic designers to polish my own applications as well as promotional materials. I've contracted with agencies, I know what a style guide looks like, a press kit, a design library shared between applications and departments needs to have.

Now it's not a full time job. Its 3 tabs for different user flows in the application.

And on the flip side, designers can also deploy software now that's good enough - (I feel like I can deploy more efficient software than an AI will initially suggest, and do things that stay on free tiers for far longer than anyone just going along with AI's suggestions.)

karolist3 days ago
> Oh no, Figma ER was actually positive, release mode SaaS FUD
Tanxsinxlnx3 days ago
upvote
zuzululu3 days ago
I use codex
DANmode3 days ago
Great story.
zuzululu3 days ago
codex can do UI well if you know what you are doing.
DANmode3 days ago
Add a detail on how, and you’re contributing!
asfjhq3 days ago
Janestreet is now known for shady trading in India and its aggressive AI trading strategies:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-04/jane-stre...

In other words, it is an AI booster. Abusing the goodwill of programmers for their OCaml involvement even though most of it was convoluted bloat and inferior to INRIA code is devious.

It happens all the time now and people need to inoculate themselves against it:

A single famous open source person or an open source involved company invested in AI suddenly posts "organic" testimonies in favor of AI. It means nothing. The person is not the same person, the company is not the same company (or is now overtly evil).