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ChrisArchitectabout 1 hour ago
[dupe] Discussion on website source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48496396
sherburt3about 1 hour ago
These tech-bro public resignations are so tedious. Ostensibly he seems fine with the existence of AI mass surveillance and AI powered murderbots but he just never envisioned a scenario where they would get used that wasn't congruent with his politics.
cma43 minutes ago
Ratified treaties are the supreme law of the land and he's pointing out "all lawful uses" isn't what the admin says it is.
sherburt326 minutes ago
That doesn't appear to be stopping the current administration. That's why I think you should be more concerned about the tools of oppression existing rather than the laws that govern them.
mDyJzDPmBdGabout 2 hours ago
Isn't his just weird repost of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48496396 ?
fakedangabout 1 hour ago
The male techie equivalent of an attention whore.
malfist1 minute ago
Isn't that just an attention whore?
bArrayabout 2 hours ago
Maybe send it out like a leak to get more attraction?
assimpleaspossiabout 1 hour ago
The last time I worked for someone else was 1992 so one didn't really use personal sites like this where one would whine about why they left their job for all the world to see. We all have our reasons for quitting but something like this just gathers the "Yeah!!" crowd but no one gains anything from it and it's quickly forgotten.

You've already forgotten the content of his post now. Right?

afavourabout 1 hour ago
> The last time I worked for someone else was 1992

Sometimes it’s fine to see a topic and tell yourself “I have no relevant knowledge in this area so I won’t comment”.

jofzar28 minutes ago
1992 is actually insane, this is before common commercial email.
PedroBatistaabout 1 hour ago
Good for you, just try to remember those old days when you complained about bosses and "whine" about things to your friends and some work colleges about day to day stuff. Now think what you would say about a situation when you were fed up and had to quit because you couldn't take it anymore and every day you had these tasks going against your values ( doesn't matter if they are "right" or "wrong", they are yours ).

Also, Google is a multi-billion dreadnought with hundreds of millions of dollars for PR, lawyers and lobbying every year. I'm sure they can take a post about someone "whining" and quitting their job in disagreement. Something tells me Google be fine...

cyanydeez37 minutes ago
everyone _works for someone else_, it's entirely about what the structure of that relationship is.

You don't make your own food do you? Build your own car? Make your own git repos?

Seems like you might want to have a better view about who you work for.

assimpleaspossi5 minutes ago
Your comment has nothing to do with what I wrote.
jnainaabout 3 hours ago
moral clarity usually sharpens the moment the last RSU hits the brokerage account
DannyBeeabout 1 hour ago
Sometimes.

Sometimes not.

I left with more than 4 million in RSU's left.

Pretty much any Googler who leaves will be leaving lots of money on the table.

This is because they are usually 3/4 year grants, so it's pretty much impossible to leave without lots of unvested RSU.

There are some 1 year grants, but those are much more uncommon (~1%)

colordrops8 minutes ago
This must have been a long time ago? Because that's leaving over a billion dollars "on the table" at the current price.
ejosoabout 1 hour ago
You realize how insanely privileged that is?

Not just the facts but the frame. Amazing.

RHSeegerabout 1 hour ago
And yet it directly speaks to the comment it was replying to. It makes the point that RSUs are generally multi-year; so if you're getting them with _any_ frequency, you never get to the point of "the last RSU vests".
lulzuryabout 2 hours ago
Alphabet dropped “don’t be evil” from its moto in 2015. This guy went in knowing how the sausage was being made.
john_strinlaiabout 1 hour ago
they did not. it’s still right there in the code of conduct

https://abc.xyz/investor/board-and-governance/google-code-of...

scroll to the bottom

nairboonabout 1 hour ago
> scroll to the bottom

that illustrates the point nicely...

watwutabout 1 hour ago
That is not corporate motto.
rvzabout 2 hours ago
Maybe they should not have joined the company in the first place if they had "morals" or "principles". Yet they still joined in 2017 even after knowing that slogan was removed anyway.

Company mottos, principles, slogans and values are all fake fronts to lure in these sort of people alongside the free food with the carrots on those sticks.

Once that all runs out or the company goes south and stops being a daycare, then they start doing silly virtue signalling posts like this.

Now you are seeing who was there for the 'good vibes', free food, rest n' vest and who was there to keep the company alive.

...And finally we know that this is a love letter to get themselves hired at Anthropic. I think you might need more than that honestly.

throwaway20378 minutes ago
Exactly.

<rant> I am so tired of reading these stupid "why I am leaving my job after making millions". One thing I can say about myself: I work for money. That's it. Lots of things the companies that I work for (normally 25,000+ employees) do immoral and unethical things. Still, I stay, earn money, and I don't write stupid fucking self-righteous blog posts after I leave. At this point, blog posts like this look like an "own goal". </rant>

BikiniPrince4 minutes ago
Also his complaints about morale compass failure are largely activism goals. Hard to make money when you waste it.

I tell employers I’m clearly a mercenary and I am only here for the money. I do great work, but I’ve been compensated well.

debo_about 1 hour ago
Post-deposit clarity
honeybadger113 minutes ago
yep, and happy to make everyone around them feel guilty when they got theirs. i strongly dislike people who do this performative crap while unfortunately believing in their right to say it.
ProllyInfamousabout 1 hour ago
>*"You cannot explain something to somebody whose livelihood depends upon [others] not understanding..."

Something. $omething. something. $teinbeck?

BLKNSLVRabout 2 hours ago
Whilst I appreciate the commitment to their values, I wonder where they stand on the 'safety' of their users as it relates to the Android Developer Verification update (currently top of HN, here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48755965).

"Security" vs Openness

> “make things so secure that we ourselves can’t break them, whether the device costs $1000 or $100, or the user is a celebrity or a refugee“

That can mean different things to different people in different contexts. Could easily mean building a software platform with security features that banks will build their apps to require.

jasonvorheabout 2 hours ago
That is wasn't even covered says enough for me.
hadi77irabout 1 hour ago
he resigned because of... "politics"? and not because of the path Google has chosen for Android security?
rpdillon31 minutes ago
The only stated reason for his resignation is that Google is no longer adhering to their promise to not use AI for weapons. I was surprised that the reasoning was so one-dimensional.
datakan16 minutes ago
While I don't agree with the author exactly, I do admire someone sticking to their guns (no pun intended). Like Oscar Wild said, "Morality, like art requires drawing a line somewhere".

One of my favorite 80's movies was Real Genius with Val Kilmer. He accidentally helps develop a weapon and then goes to extreme measures to prevent its use. For some people creating weapons is a line they wont cross and that's not a bad thing.

vrganjabout 1 hour ago
They are one and the same.
okokwhateverabout 1 hour ago
Can anyone in this industry really say goodbye without posting it? We act like artists, believing our ideals will illuminate the world with our moral compass.

This is surreal.

anon700021 minutes ago
Not until tech companies stop pretending tech jobs are special. It’s part of the entire industry culture at this point that you join certain positions to “make a big difference.”

Yet most startups are just b2b AI sass or whatever.

jqpabc123about 2 hours ago
"Don't be evil" was just a diversion from a path that was laid out from the beginning.

And it worked --- for a while. Until the path became impossible to deny.

jasonvorheabout 2 hours ago
Yeah, I'm sure the "don't be evil" charade was good marketing from the get-go or else they would've never taken In-Q-Tel funding.
robotmaxtronabout 2 hours ago
google used to be cool
Aldipowerabout 1 hour ago
25 years ago
DonHopkins16 minutes ago
Not as cool as Yahoo! used to be.
vrganjabout 3 hours ago
This mirrors my own experience as a European that worked at FAANG in the Bay Area.

It used to be a dream job. Now I've relocated back to Europe and want nothing to do with American Big Tech. It's become toxic and completely counter to my values.

America has become a much darker place that has a very different place in the world. American tech companies have not just accepted, but actively embraced this transition. I am not interested in joining them and being complicit.

sailfast13 minutes ago
European companies aren’t much different so just be sure to check where you stand first before you’re SURE you’ve actually escaped.
jonnybgoodabout 3 hours ago
Darker than what other point in America’s history?
wvhabout 2 hours ago
Perhaps darker than the initial mild optimism of the early internet.
smackeyackyabout 1 hour ago
It is easy to forget US history as the vast majority of us have only been exposed to the 1960s to 2000s era which in retrospect seem like an anomaly.
Laurel1234about 1 hour ago
I'm glad to see Europeans wising up about the US. But as a Latin American whose country suffered from the US-backed Operation Condor, Yankees being soulless subhuman scum is nothing new. Europe was just too glad to reap the benefits as US allies to care about the truth.

The CIA instigated a coup in Guatemala in '54 which led to a civil war and the Maya genocide.

sailfast15 minutes ago
BIT of a broad brush there but we can take the critique.

While we vote for our leaders we don’t exactly get a say or have awareness of what sort of covert bullshit some over eager Yale graduate is doing as a top secret operation.

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raverbashingabout 3 hours ago
While I can understand the concerns, I wouldn't use a google doc to air my grievances though
hagbard_cabout 1 hour ago
I stopped reading at "Yes, Trump was already president" 'cause I've read enough of such diatribes to know where this is going. As if things were better when Biden was president and 'Big Tech' was used as the censorship organ of the regime. Remember Biden's Ministry of Truth czar Nina Jankovicz? What about Katherine Maher, NPR's CEO who stated that Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done? Trump is not the cause of the decline in public trust, he is the result of that decline.

Ultimately it all probably goes back to the fall of the Soviet Union and with that the loss of the clear 'good vs. bad/us vs. them' distinction which could be used to distract people on both sides from the rot in their midst. Politicos have always been corrupt no matter their colours or stripes but when the world was a simpler place - the Free West versus the Evil Empire, before that the Allies against the Axis - there was a common enemy for the people to refer to. Yes, some "democrats" already tried to take the side of the Soviets but they were in a minority while most of the Democratic party considered the politics and culture of the USA and the western alliance to be preferable over those of the Soviet Union and its satellite states as well as Communist China. They preferred "our" corrupt politicians over "their" corrupting ideology, i.e. they might be assholes but they're OUR assholes. When the eastern bloc dissolved the western alliance was like the dog which had caught the car: clueless as to what to do next. Fukuyama thought we were at the end of history but as anyone who had read a bit of (real) history could then already see this was a nonsensical idea. We're now experiencing the effects of that lack of vision which led to a 'Free West' which has taken over a number of the bad habits "we" accused the eastern bloc countries of and with that the term 'Free West' deserves to be quoted.

It is up to us, those living in the western alliance countries to try to keep the authoritarians at bay and no, I'm not only talking about Trump. I'm talking about the Communists (who call themselves 'democratic socialists') taking over the "democratic" party, the the "woke right" (for lack of a better term, i.e. right-wingers who adopt progressive-style shaming, tribalism and purity tests to defend distorted conservative values [1]) attempting to make inroads, the authoritarians on all sides who see works like 1984 and Brave New World as instruction manuals, those who read Howard Zinn and believed all he wrote, etc.

[1] https://newdiscourses.com/2025/07/a-beginners-guide-to-the-w...

urbsgpw25 minutes ago
I find it laughable how when all of these platforms were aligned with the Dems the same behavior was ok (and it was those darned russians that were the problem on facebook and other platforms), whereas now that the tables have turned (for now...), it's all the end of the world.

Whereas the feature of these platforms - their incredible power - was always the same. The outrage is then just a function of a person's preferences.

anon700019 minutes ago
What behavior was fine, exactly?