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nusq39 minutes ago
Finnally something I have knowledge of. Dolosse were invent in South Africa many years ago, but they are only one type of concrete block for wave dissipation and protection. Many other exist and some of them are patent and require the payment of royalties to be used. Anyway, in Portugal we do not use dolosse ever. We used it once in Sines deepwater breakwater, which suffered a catastrophic collapse in 1979. The promise of dolosse is that the blocks work together because of their shape and thus the individual block can be lighter and cheaper. This does not work in practice, at least in high energy seas. The ocean is unforgiven. What happens is that if only a few blocks break the whole structure will quickly collapse during a storm. And things can break due to a series of problems and risks. Concrete is only good at resist compression stresses and reinforcement with rebar is almost always a bad idea in ocean conditions, so complex shapes are hard to make and to move without introducing unwanted stresses that reduce the design strength conditions. Other type of blocks rely mostly on its design weight and density and the shape is just used for increasing energy dissipation and overtopping. For example, tetrapods can be moved with only compression forces on the block.
mk_stjamesabout 2 hours ago
Interestingly the author shows a photo of a spot in Cape Town where there are two distinct structures in use - close up, in the photo, are actually Tetrapods - as pointed out in other comments, these are an earlier invention from France and also used quite extensively throughout many parts of the world (including... right here where the Dolosse were invented).

Further down that jetty are structures with the actual Dolos geometry. It would be interesting to know if, specifically, those geometries were chosen specifically to be placed in those two parts of the wall as they are for specific properties, or if came down to having certain quantities made on hand and their distributions matched the shape of the wall required, or what.

You can see what I mean, this distinction in the exact location where that photo is taken on google maps, here:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Vn3tGhM81oMqPVpm9

-33.899126, 18.412751 Mouille Point, Cape Town, 8005, South Africa

Someoneabout 1 hour ago
Mathematically, I think they both may be tetrahedons. The Tetrapod models it by 4 lines connecting each of its vertices to its center, the Dolosse by two opposite edges connected by a line through the middle.

I’m saying “may be” because it is possible that the center “arm” of the Dolosse is too large to make a true tetrahedon. That’s a degree of freedom in the design.

> It would be interesting to know if, specifically, those geometries were chosen specifically to be placed in those two parts of the wall

My guess would be that Dolosses interlock better than Tetrapods, allowing for steeper inclines on stacks of them.

close04about 1 hour ago
That connecting "spine" is there to improve the interlocking of the tetrapods. They can "hook" better to each other. That's the theory at least, I don't know the if it's better in practice.
petesergeantabout 1 hour ago
The Wikipedia article:

> A dolos ... is a type of tetrapod

but also, the Wikipedia article for tetrapod:

> One of the earliest designs is the Tetrapod, invented in 1950. Other proprietary designs include the Modified Cube (United States, 1959), the Stabit (United Kingdom, 1961), the Akmon[W] (The Netherlands, 1962), the Dolos (South Africa, 1963), the Stabilopod [ro] (Romania, 1969),[7] the Seabee (Australia, 1978), the Accropode[W] (France, 1981), the Hollow Cube (Germany, 1991), the A-jack[W] (United States, 1998), the Xbloc[W] (The Netherlands, 2001) and KOLOS[W] (India, 2010) among others.

I have put Ws next to ones with their own Wikipedia page.

dugganabout 3 hours ago
Interesting. Been to South Africa a bunch but never clocked that they were different from the more common antecedent, the tetrapod[1].

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrapod_(structure)

walskiabout 3 hours ago
In Germany (on the island Sylt) they recently removed all of these structures again after decades of them being a staple on Sylt's beaches. They were found to have no positive effect on protecting their shores.

I'm having a hard time to find a good source to quote but look for: "sylt tetrapoden" if you want to dive deeper.

walskiabout 3 hours ago
Ok I stand corrected these are NOT tetrapods. Sorry for the confusion
gilleainabout 3 hours ago
Well, confusingly, the last picture on the blogpost look (to my untrained eye) to be tetrapods. Those are 'tetrahedral' (ish) shapes.

In contrast, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolos (plural 'Dolosse') are two tapering cylinders at right angles to each other. They have the same symmetry, but a different structure. Does that make any difference to how effective they are? No idea!

edit: When I said the "same symmetry" of course I should have said the dolos has some of the symmetries of the tetrapod (subgroup?).

s03nk3about 1 hour ago
Maybe the form variations were just for patent circumvention.
liotierabout 2 hours ago
Save yourself the blogspam, go directly to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave-dissipating_concrete_bloc... and enjoy the whole collection !
Cthulhu_about 1 hour ago
A bit rude, this doesn't come across as spam but a genuine human sharing something interesting they came across. Peak old internet (2000s) content. The wiki article is very short and doesn't actually have more or better pictures.
arczaabout 1 hour ago
Bizarre hate towards someone's little blog. And it's not even LLM spam, just someone running their own WP site. By your logic I should save myself the Wikipedia verbosity and just ingest LLM output for any query I have forever.
cookiengineer13 minutes ago
Not sure why Dolosse are so special?

There's lots of different forms and shapes of wave breakers, like the Tetrapods [1] that you can find over here across pretty much every coast in Europe.

Maybe I'm just not getting it why the Dolosse shape is superior?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrapod_(structure)