Beijing is looking at curbing overseas access to China's top AI models

bhouston•about 3 hours ago

So this means that China’s low cost models won’t benefit the rest of the world? Then we have to make our own. If we only have expensive models and they have cheap ones they will be at a huge advantage not unlike low cost of labor advantages.

pogue•about 3 hours ago

It's wild how restricting China's access to our GPUs led them to create some of the top & most widely used open source ai models, while the US's models seem to be few and far between.

It looks like Meta has given up on Llama, which was one of the most popular, in favor of going proprietary to make more money.

This also leads me to believe the discussion about China slipping propaganda into their models (the whole "ask it about Tiananmen Square" thing) was never really a thing or at least not a priority for them.

IAmGraydon•about 1 hour ago

Turns out, prohibition doesn't work in any of its many forms. This has been obvious to anyone with a semblance of critical thought for the last 100 years, but the US government never seems to learn.

bhouston•40 minutes ago

> prohibition doesn't work in any of its many forms.

It definitely does work in that it will prevent us customers from accessing cheap goods from China and thus enrich the local AI companies that are paying the politicians to ban the Chinese models.

ericmay•about 3 hours ago

It doesn’t mean that. Low-cost models will still enter the market because China isn’t the only country capable of creating them. If you want to do the manufacturing comparison then it’s like the latest iPhone versus the cheap Android phone from Wal-Mart.

They are both phones and do all the same things but you buy one and you pay a lot more money for it because at the end of the day it is way better. Cheap models capture the slim margin and marginal utility product mix, whereas these “high-end” models capture more of that iPhone market.

China doesn’t want to just be a low-cost manufacturer (you can see this reflected in the ongoing hollowing out of Germany’s economy losing 10,000 manufacturing jobs/month) - they want to make high end models too because the economics and capabilities are far superior.

Beijing is looking at curbing overseas access to China's top AI models

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