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lokimedesabout 1 hour ago
Glad I didn’t spend the last ten years on that problem! As my CERN advisor suggested :)
pjmlp5 minutes ago
All Alumni know that the best discoveries happen after hours of reflection on R1 tables during Summertime. :)
ThrowawayTestrabout 1 hour ago
That's the best part about science.
storywatch18 minutes ago
It's good for the world but terrible for the practitioners in academia. Imagine you are in your last year of your PhD and then something new comes out and completely invalidates/obsoletes your results. Cough natural language processing PhDs during COVID when GPT-3 came around..
tansey13 minutes ago
Academic here. It's actually great for us. You're usually the first to see the implications for your niche area and have a chance to get a hot paper out rather than a moderately impactful one.
radicaldreamer15 minutes ago
This happens in biology all the time.

PHDs will spend years mastering some intricate multi-day long procedure to do some thing and a new discovery will obviate the need for the procedure completely.

pavel_lishinabout 1 hour ago
I remember reading the Three Body Problem, and thinking to myself: this is implausible. If scientists started getting weird results, they'd be thrilled, not suicidal!
Diogenesian42 minutes ago
I believe the alien scientists were depressed by the guaranteed collapse of their civilization, not the difficulty of certain differential equations. So it's more like a doctor getting weird results while working on a cure for a pandemic.

Edit: oops, see the reply below... and my grumpy response. I seriously forgot about that entire plot point.

glenstein26 minutes ago
I'm pretty sure they're referring to scientists on Earth.

Edit: Though I agree that alien scientists of Tri-Solaris probably lead more depressing lives than their counterparts on earth

I don't know if this series is yet considered far enough in the past that we don't have to worry about spoiler warnings (I feel like the house rules about this apply differently to books than to movies), but I will just say that one of the most fascinating and mind-bending considerations in the book is the idea that some civilizations progress linearly and some progress exponentially, and how mind bending it is to have to plan ahead for exponential advances.

an0malousabout 1 hour ago
The history of scientific revolutions does not support this view
pavel_lishinabout 1 hour ago
How do you mean? I cannot remember any particular scientific revolution where scientists were suicidal, or even particularly crestfallen.

Quantum Mechanics is the closest thing I can think of, where Einstein famously refused to accept some of the implications, and where scientists had great disagreements about things like the Copenhagen interpretation and what it means for the actual nature of reality - but I don't think any of them were sad about it.

jpkabout 1 hour ago
Yeah. In principal, scientists should be excited by weird results. In practice, though, humans are complex creatures with intellectual and emotional inertia. There's an understandable element of dread when you realize your life's work finds itself on shaky ground.
tgarrett26 minutes ago
I'm a plasma physicist, and personally I love weird results - new mysteries to solve! That said, there are a wide range of personality types out there. And I would also be extremely surprised if the correct solution to some particular weird result was, for instance, that the Maxwell equations are broken for that regime (other than expected quantum corrections, e.g. the Schwinger limit).
black636 minutes ago
They were getting inconsistent results, not just weird ones. However I agree that suicide probably wouldn't be where they would end up.
dguest7 minutes ago
I seem to remember something about the scientist being distraught because physics didn't make sense, not because she was having trouble getting clean data.

That also stuck with me as weird: there are any number of places you could sabotage a precision physics experiment by injecting tiny amounts of noise, which would drive the scientists to think they were bad scientists. Instead they thought science was broken.

As someone who has looked for inconsistencies with the Standard Model for a while now, and seen every measurement land bang-on the prediction, I can say that I would love any deviation that said our existing theories are broken.

And sure, crank up the detector noise and we'd be sad, but ask any grad student: having your apparatus suddenly spit out garbage data is just an average day. I've known plenty of scientists with psychological problems but it's never coming from their data.

ck2about 1 hour ago
well maybe depends how fundamental

if objects you put on a table started falling through the floor it would be a bit stressful

lol

but Dr. Becky gets really excited about all the various "crisis in cosmology" because she knows new science/knowledge will emerge from solving those questions

and you remind me there's another season coming up in that series, can't wait

"Is he still in the grandmother’s house? We would like to speak to him."

colechristensen37 minutes ago
I really dislike the writing style of being so "friendly" for people who don't know anything about the space that you obscure what the topic of the article is at all.

It's a third of the way through the article when "g-2", the problem at hand, is mentioned. Information that should have been shared in the title took a third of the article to figure out.

wuliwong7 minutes ago
You dislike that people write for audiences other than yourself.
gloryjulio24 minutes ago
Yep. This would backfire spectacularly for people just want to know what's going on. They would just dump the article in the llm and ask, 'what problem is this article about'