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dweez2 minutes ago
I spent a lot of time researching LLM routing last year and also came to the conclusion that it's generally not worth the effort. It's too hard to understand the difficulty of a query a priori.

One specific challenge I was seeing is that difficulty depends a lot on what information is retrievable by the agent. Consider the question "what is the 5-state busy beaver number?" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busy_beaver). In 2023 this would be a Mythos-tier research problem, but a solution was proved in 2024 so today any minimally intelligent model with a web search tool can just fetch the answer. You don't know which queries will be basic summarization and which will be deep reasoning until you get going.

randomblock15 minutes ago
> Complexity cannot be deduced from the prompt alone. Let’s take an example: “evaluate the tests for the repo $GIT_REPO and improve them” can be a very simple task if you mention a personal website written in plain HTML5; or an incredibly complex task if you target the Linux kernel repo.

I don't think this a good example. The first step would be reading the documentation, reading an overview of the tests, then executing commands to run the tests. A cheap model could do that. After that, though, the router will have to figure out how complex the tests are, which is the hard part, but I can't imagine it's that hard to determine a bunch of C code is tougher than some HTML from looking at it. Unless they want to select one model at start and never change it, because that's pretty clearly not the right way to go about routing.

Regardless I agree that routers usually aren't worthwhile, at least in the form of something that's meant to be universal. It's probably more efficient to just change something in the repo code, whether that's skills or instructions or something else. Benefit of that being it's persistent, portable, and more well tuned than guessing complexity on every turn.

overgard25 minutes ago
> Just as a painter knows exactly what brush they need to use, and the craftsman carefully chooses their tools, engineers should understand trade-offs and subtleties of the different models.

I'm really skeptical of this idea. Pragmatically: who has time to understand the nuances of these models when there's like a new one every week? Also without any view into the training, figuring out what each model is potentially good at is more or less just throwing spaghetti against the wall, except the spaghetti is potentially very expensive and might insert subtle issues into your code base.

mmargenot44 minutes ago
I find this routing problem to be opaque and I’m generally skeptical that the label people are trying to predict is meaningful.

If you really need more discrimination of the complexity of an input to get an efficient response, sft or rl tuning something for your harness would be more effective.

velcrovanabout 2 hours ago
Ironically, my confidence that a human had at least an active part in writing/editing this article went up because of this train wreck of a sentence:

> "A cache-aware model router will take that into account by adding stickiness to the initially chosen model and keeps querying it."

hhhabout 1 hour ago
what’s wrong with the sentence? reads fine to me
1bppabout 1 hour ago
'keeps' is the wrong tense and could be 'will keep'
thehamkercatabout 1 hour ago
i think it should be "by adding stickiness to the initially chosen provider of that model"
rush8699931 minutes ago
robertclaus24 minutes ago
I think fail-over for a production critical service is an equally important responsibility of the router.
ramraj0719 minutes ago
You cant fail over to a different model though. Even failing over to a different provider isn't always as simple as set it and forget it. For example bedrock doesn't support the tool search tool feature from anthropic.
jml785 minutes ago
They beta support for it now I believe
maxrev17about 1 hour ago
Yeah routers suck, been doing this myself for the best part of a year now and it’s really difficult to make it behave. A good model for your task is the best bet.
coffinbirth33 minutes ago
Some routing services not just route to different LLMs, they also handle all the legal issues (GDPR compliance, ISO certification, guaranteed Zero-Data-Retention, domestic data processing/European based clouds, etc.). In regulated industries, these things matter a lot, especially when processing of sensitive data is involved.
owenthejumperabout 1 hour ago
Routing belongs on the client side