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sam_lowry_about 2 hours ago
> Every email carries two "from" addresses

I made a presentation about exactly the same subject many-many years ago, but I was not shy of separating the SMTP protocol (RFC 821 and the following ) and the email message (RFC 822 and the following).

It makes the link between SPF, DKIM and DMARC much clearer.

Anyway. The article covers just the bare minimum, and in the most obscure way.

For those interested in the inner workings of contemporary email delivery... I recommend the posts by Alex Shakhov on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexshakhov/ (Yes, there is still meaningful content on LinkedIn, it's just vanishingly rare)

avianabout 1 hour ago
Vaguely related question: what is the go-to open DMARC check implementation these days? I mean the part that checks _received_ mail against DMARC rules. It used to be opendmarc, but it seems people have been dropping it for a while because of history of breaking changes and general lack of good stewardship [1]. Anyone using pydmarc [2]?

It's hard to find good info on this since 99% of search hits are people talking about setting up DMARC from the _sender_ side.

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1014058#39

[2] https://pypi.org/project/dmarc/

oogali20 minutes ago
I use rspamd.

This might be a little heavy if you’re solely looking for DMARC validation, but I use the other parts of rspamd as well for inbound email.

https://rspamd.com/modules/dmarc/

For a library, I mainly write Go and I use https://github.com/emersion/go-msgauth (formerly known as go-dkim).

1over13710 minutes ago
Indeed opendmarc seems practically abandonware.

rspamd is what I use.

joladev20 minutes ago
> Here is the part that trips people up.

It's hard to take something seriously when it's very clearly AI generated. It's just a coin toss on whether the information in the article is correct.

sylwareabout 1 hour ago
I think DMARC is missing email address with IPv[46] literals support. As being self-hosted, without paying the DNS mob, I am still blocked to send email to gmail.com because such email addresses do throw out of whack gogol code.

Email addresses with IPv[46] literals are intrinsincly stronger than SPF. If in the envelope or any of the 'from' headers (if my memory does not fail me, there are few more headers to scan), the IPv[46] literal does not match the actual and real IP of the SMTP server, the email is dropped, not even going into any spam folder.

Conspiracy mode: they know and are careful not to support that, in order to create a walled garden of internet messaging for them and their friends.

inigyou25 minutes ago
Wasn't this removed from the email standards?
cadamsdotcomabout 2 hours ago
Dear author:

Do NOT ship your first draft!

This piece is a great example of writing smells - you do a disservice to humanity by leaving such important information typed up so awfully.

For instance. "This matters" is a writing smell that stinks to high heaven. Just like code smells - hints that something is off about the code. Can't quite tell something is wrong but you don't like it. Spider sense tingling. Same for bad writing - there are huge signposts you can easily rip out.

If you had to tell us a thing matters you've made TWO MISTAKES. One, you left in whatever it was that didn't matter, so now you gotta tell people hey ignore that stuff! Look at this stuff over here! - and two, you also left in the assertion that this or that thing matters! Delete the shit that didn't matter, then delete the assertion that the thing that matters matters! Poof! Gone! See how nicely it reads now? Spend those 10 words elsewhere with a better payoff.

Smelly writing is no fun to read, and it's rude to ship your first draft.

dspillettabout 2 hours ago
> it's rude to ship your first draft

To whom this should concern:

Oh, do pop off.

Bothering to write/edit anything yourself should be given bonus points these days, not pulled apart for minor grammar/structural/style issues. You'll be telling me no to flaming split initiatives next.

iamacyborgabout 1 hour ago
You’re being polite, this stinks of Claude.