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WarmWashabout 1 hour ago
The most fascinating thing about this is how oil futures markets were able to capture this while the media was endlessly blasting stories about oil shortages.

Anyone paying attention to oil prices since the start of the war has been confused about the total disconnect between oil future and the existential situation on the ground. Even the media seemed mystified by this.

Well, now we all know the answer.

tristanjabout 1 hour ago
No, it's because oil is still transiting the strait. A select group of tankers has been bypassing the Iranian "blockade" and ferrying oil across for months now.

An estimated ~2–5 million barrels per day transit via dark transfers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/06/05/us-secretl...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-16/dark-ship...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-is-using-an-irani...

edaemon3 minutes ago
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kajaktumabout 1 hour ago
There’s also a landed pipeline that is able to carry oil out to the west
IAmBroom41 minutes ago
It's all of these. If you maintain any major export path, or decrease demand, prices rise far less than they would otherwise.
petesergeant38 minutes ago
bookofjoeabout 2 hours ago
sgtabout 1 hour ago
Isn't that pretty misleading? About the production that can be cranked up / lowered as per needs, so the US likely remains the biggest oil power.
chasilabout 1 hour ago
It might be said that this article casts China as a "super capacitor" in that it can store and release massive quantities of oil at will.

It also has its own domestic oil production of 4.3 million barrels per day.

jayd1624 minutes ago
Is the crux of this article just that the Chinese oil reserve is 2x the capacity of the US oil reserve?

Is there anything more to it than that?

chasil8 minutes ago
They were also able to drastically cut their own internal demand and external sales/shipments (the article mentions jet fuel to other Asian nations).

This was possible because their economic planning is centralized.

mytailorisrich42 minutes ago
Yes and they seem good at this, too. News reports are that they started stockpiling in January at the latest in prevision of a conflict in Iran that did start right at the end of February.
matthewdgreen34 minutes ago
They started stockpiling in 2024. The estimate is that they had 1.4 billion barrels by the time the Iran war started, and they're down to 1.2 billion now. (Nobody knows for sure, though.) Meanwhile the US has 304 million barrels left in our reserves, but there's a (disputed) operational minimum around 225 million, where draw slows down and the caverns start to suffer damage. (That's about 90 days at current draw rates. Also, this is a loan program, where oil needs to be "repaid" with interest starting in November, so that's going to affect prices too.)
matthewdgreen40 minutes ago
Oil producer != oil power. What matters is the ability for a government to routinely influence prices. The US government could, in theory, ban all exports or manually dictate production but we tend not to do that (yet). Our main government price-control lever comes from SPR releases, but we're nearly tapped out. China has no real legal restrictions on what its government can dictate except for what makes sense geopolitically, so at any moment it can make oil vastly cheaper or more expensive, even moreso than OPEC can by manipulating supply.
bluSCALE4about 1 hour ago
No, controlling supply isn't as important as controlling demand. If China wanted, we could all be paying 6, 8, 10 dollars a gallon right now causing real turmoil. Instead it's business as usual.
0xbadcafebeeabout 1 hour ago
Not even close. 1) US has at least 4x lower oil reserves than China so it can't outlast China in a game of energy chicken, 2) US produces mostly light crude while almost all its refineries are for heavy crude so it can't even use the stuff it makes, 3) China has the ability to control its own industries like flipping a switch so they can halt oil-demanding (and refining) immediately to control 15% of the world's demand of oil which immediately impacts the entire world's price on oil, 4) they can get oil from Iran and Russia through the Yuan since everything you want is made in China so oil export controls don't work.
chasil28 minutes ago
In researching this question, 40% of the refineries in the U.S. can process light crude efficiently.

They all can refine it, but the more technically adept refineries that specialize in processing heavy, sulfur-soured crude do not run efficiently with lighter grades.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2026/04/05/debunking-a-...

1234letshaveatwabout 1 hour ago
very interesting! So US refineries that can handle heavy crude are unable to handle light crude?
ApolloFortyNineabout 1 hour ago
China = clicks nowadays I guess?

The US produces more oil products than anyone else by a large margin [1] and extracts more than anyone else [2].

[1] https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=709&t=6 [2] https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/crude-oil-producti...

Gysabout 1 hour ago
> This ability to turn oil demand on and off, ostensibly at low economic cost, allows the world’s biggest oil importer to move prices just as the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (opec) and its allies have long done through their control of half of global output.

This is not about production. You should read the article and not only the title.

1234letshaveatwabout 1 hour ago
does decreasing demand raise prices?
IAmBroom43 minutes ago
No, it lowers prices... which is what happened (effectively) versus expectations.
stevenwoo39 minutes ago
China had the foresight to fill its petroleum reserves when prices were lower( so much so they raised prices just by that action) and can keep going for four more months with very little impact from the USA/Iran/Israel war. They simply raised gas prices to get consumers to stop driving ICE so much and moved its internal petrochemical industry (largest in world according to article) to replace Middle East imports and stop exporting (causing the mini crisis in neighbors who imported from China). The standoff situation in Middle East has to continue for four consecutive months before we see China having to take other measures.
IAmBroom44 minutes ago
Yes, the US still outproduces China in oil by nearly a factor of three. The actual meaning of the vague title is that China temporarily buffered world crude prices.

TFA notes that China controlled prices during the Iran/"Orange Idiot" war in three ways: (1) they had fortunately filled their storage during a recent price drop, (2) they restricted exports of China oil, and (3) domestic use "sharply" decreased.

The article concludes that this 3-pronged approach is "manageable", but not sustainable:

> But the Iran war has shown that, in practice, China can singlehandedly stabilise the global oil market over a period of many months. Leaders of the increasingly fractious oil cartel can only dream of doing the same. ■

glimshe37 minutes ago
Whenever I think the Economist has hit rock bottom, they never fail to find a new low. The United States is the world's greatest oil power.