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sarrephabout 2 hours ago
OP here - longtime HN user. I submitted this story to a writing contest a few months back, but didn’t hear anything from them.

I posted it here on a punt and getting front page of HN is 10x the feeling any writing contest could give me!

Thanks to all who read and commented, and glad to hear it resonates with some of you!

[EDIT]: There've been a lot more comments since I wrote this one. I want you all to know that I've read every single comment and am ever so grateful for everyone who responded here / took the time to read the story!

xp84about 2 hours ago
You're a great writer. I haven't read a lot recently, but this was the type of story that I really could not stop reading.

I also didn't see that it said "This is a short story" at the top, so I read more than half thinking it was nonfiction. Heh.

suriyaGabout 2 hours ago
This is incredibly well written had me hooked till the end (probably because I thought it was a real life incident. :)
BrunoBernardinoabout 2 hours ago
Congratulations! As someone who's written (micro and short) fiction for many years, I _feel_ how hard it is to get someone to read it. Enjoy it!
sgt101about 1 hour ago
Good story, write more. You have a good NO AI style.
Mistletoe11 minutes ago
You write wonderfully, direct, heartfelt, human, real, the opposite of LLM output, and that’s the highest honor I can bestow.
madradavidabout 2 hours ago
My god, for a minute there I thought this was real.. This resonates, I bet a number of us know or Are an “Aaron”. Thanks for this.
xp84about 1 hour ago
I'll admit, I was really hoping the end was going to be like, "And that's how Aaron Kalshi created a £XX billion company."
raajgabout 1 hour ago
THIS!
raajgabout 1 hour ago
Couldn't stop reading! It's been an embarrassingly long amount of time since I got hooked to something like this. Keep going!
herbertlabout 1 hour ago
I really enjoyed this! Thank you for writing and sharing.
thevivekshuklaabout 1 hour ago
Good story. I was hooked.
suprfnkabout 2 hours ago
Very well written! I haven't read such a long piece on the internet for quite a while but this hooked me immediately, and kept me hooked.

Breath of fresh air between all the AI """writing""".

jimbob45about 2 hours ago
Why make him #5 in WoW of all games? Arena has never been that prestigious and most players primarily engaged in PvE rather than PvP, which didn’t have such rankings.
djrileyabout 1 hour ago
Aaron seems like the kind of guy who would sink a ton of time in to something so meaningless now, doesn't he?
JohnMakinabout 3 hours ago
I think this short story resonates because probably most people know an Aaron - the type that is incessantly looking for some kind of scheme, some kind of get rich quick thing, and will spend exponentially far more effort and misery suffered avoiding real employment than it would take actually just sucking it up and working, and often (usually) with much, much worse results. Yet they persist. A few of them become successful founders, probably, depending on their background. But most don't.
Krei-se21 minutes ago
Don't listen to the quitters here kids, go chase your dream, it's worth it. Employment is just helping someone else reach theirs for a pat on the back.

You can do it, be resilient and stubborn, go against the grain and things start to work out.

JohnMakinabout 3 hours ago
When I was around that age, my Aaron was this kid who matched a similar description, very bright but utterly averse to any kind of work whatsoever, never finished his education, did okay in school but underperformed a lot.

I remember a few of his dumbest schemes - one, he would get gift visa cards, run the balance down to pennies, then as a restaurant server for some crappy chain, would charge a customer with a big tip, put it on the drained card, and due to some weird quirk with the way they processed tips back then, the money would hit his paycheck before the decline would happen. I pointed out it was stupid easy to get caught by the bank and his restaurant but he insisted it was genius and foolproof. Got caught in a month or two, fired, nearly got in a lot of legal trouble but somehow got out of it.

His all time dumbest 'scheme' was when a major automaker was going into bankruptcy at some point during the financial crisis, the stock was pennies. So he invested all his savings, some thousands of dollars, into buying the stocks. Even being so young and barely financially literate at that point I was aghast, tried to explain that when the bankruptcy finishes, his stock will be worth nothing. No, no, he assured me - imagine - this stock was $20 before, when it's $20 again I'll be a gazillionaire. I tried very very hard to convince him that was not correct and of course he lost everything. Shortly after he got into dealing marijuana but by that point I had determined he wasn't worth hanging out with anymore. No idea what happened to him.

tyreabout 3 hours ago
What’s funny is that there was a bankrupt auto company that was memed back into existence. Hertz, by all logic, was absolutely doomed. Retail traders brought it back from near-certain liquidation and could have made a ton of money. Not sure how many actually sold.
HappySweeney29 minutes ago
They saved themselves by reporting rented cars as stolen and having them towed back to the lot so they could double-dip.
JohnMakinabout 2 hours ago
This was GM and as I roughly remember it there was no chance of this happening, because they just formed a new company and issued new stock after bankruptcy. Maybe hard for a young person at that time to understand, and the SEC probably shouldn't have allowed trading by the point he got into it, but it was all over the news and google was in its hayday, the information was easily available.
xp84about 1 hour ago
That's a shame to hear about - Hertz is one of the shittiest companies I know. It would have been great for the world if they had been liqudated!
tyreabout 3 hours ago
Fantastic writing, very well done. Every small, incremental decision is believable. You can see how the psychosis evolves.

It made me think of Justin.tv, which was Justin Kan streaming himself. There weren’t betting markets, but today there would be.

Twitch—what it ended up as–shows how much people crave community. Like other social media, there are many examples in chats of people with believed friendships and parasocial relationships with streamers. For smaller streams, sometimes these are real casual friendships. For larger ones, it’s the dark other side of Aaron.

Anyway, I’m glad prediction markets didn’t exist in those days. I wish they didn’t now (we don’t need more outlets for gambling, in my opinion), but this was a great story nonetheless.

sarrephabout 2 hours ago
Thank you for your kind words!
royal__3 minutes ago
I legitimately thought this was real for about half of it and it made it very engaging, well done.
corndogeabout 3 hours ago
I like it because each individual piece can happen and we probably all know people by now that have some aspect of Aaron - massive AI use, or into prediction markets, or live streaming, or just a friend who we have learned over time lacks scruples, or have watched them fade in response to life's challenges. The combination of all of these is then easy to imagine and that idea makes a good story.
sarrephabout 2 hours ago
Thank you for reading it!
lazydon8 minutes ago
Not sure why, but I thought this was going to be a friend of Aaron Swartz writing in memory of him.
burningChromeabout 1 hour ago
Best line in the story:

I had spent my whole life dreaming of making my own overnight success on the internet, but had taught someone with no ethics how to do it instead.

This is such a great line and one I know so many people related to as soon as they read it.

You're a great writer, thank you for this today.

DoctorOetkerabout 1 hour ago
But that is also basically what most intellectual jobs are, workers telling their boss what to do while pretending they are receiving and executing commands.
sarreph15 minutes ago
Ah, thank you!
rfool12 minutes ago
Nice. Story and your writing style tell more about you as about Aaron.

IMHO, with the second paragraph, Aaron starts to fade into background. While you increasingly describe that character in-depth, but also more and more often seem to advert an urge to apologize for ... something.

I wonder what that is!?

greenfish6about 3 hours ago
Powerful. And written so well, I thought it was real at first, I even forgot about the "this is a short story at the top" and googled Aaron's different betting websites
sarrephabout 2 hours ago
Thank you, very kind of you to say!
rfool13 minutes ago
Nice. Story and your writing style tell more about you as about Aaron.

IMHO, with the second paragraph, Aaron starts to fade into background. While you increasingly describe your character in-depth, but also more and more often seem to advert an urge to apologize for ... something. I wonder what that is!?

ilamont9 minutes ago
"Ho" from Slow Horses meets the milquetoast protagonist from Big Vern in Viz.
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lucastamoios29 minutes ago
I use to read a lot, big novels and short stories, and I know when I see something that is good. Yours is.

One thing that I give you as feedback, maybe for another version, or for future stories, would be to develop a bit more on why keep the friendship with Aaron. I know it was there some reasons, but for me it was a bit harder to follow. But even this is a small thing.

Tell us if you have something else written to share.

sarreph9 minutes ago
> develop a bit more on why keep the friendship with Aaron.

Thanks for your feedback (I got similar feedback from my friend and my partner who both write). I agree that this felt like a bit of a hole in the story as I was writing it, that I never managed to satisfactorily patch up.

> Tell us if you have something else written to share.

This is my first piece of long-form fiction, have submitted a couple of new pieces to competitions since, and aim to post those and more soon!

samizdisabout 2 hours ago
I clicked on the HN link and, when I saw "short story", almost closed the tab ... but I started to read anyway. I found it compelling and disturbing from start to finish. Much as my opinions about writing count for nothing, I truly hope that you poat any future works here. A great read.
sarreph7 minutes ago
Thank you so much. I do indeed plan on posting more work here in future... HN has given me the impetus I needed for that (and more) now!
dorightabout 2 hours ago
Some people have always had qualities like Aaron's, and giving them tools like AI causes them to reveal themselves by virtue of becoming that much louder. Those problems are often unfixable regardless, as they are at the level of personality. What is fixable in comparison (but likely not in practice) is not inventing new ways of allowing them to hang themselves and others. But we will invent them anyway, because a promising idea cannot be left alone for long, and consequences will be suffered as a result.
curuinorabout 4 hours ago
Murder is always systematically kind of a dramatic act. We are definitely going to get a prediction market murder in <5 years, I think.
1domabout 4 hours ago
I learned about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market in the early 2010s. It wasn't phrased like a prediction market focusing on when a person would die, but more like a bounty. If the bounty/pot got big enough, eventually it would be worth it for someone to do it.

Even thinking/writing about this now, it still makes obvious sense and I'm surprised it hasn't been seriously made yet with crypto: if there's a pot of billions, contributed to by millions, the incentive becomes not just about the money, but the adoration, protection and power that would come with doing so many people a favour.

nemomarxabout 3 hours ago
I think all the big targets for this kind of thing have the legal or government muscle to get in your way? Millions of people usually don't agree on someone dying unless they're powerful.
myhfabout 4 hours ago
Every prediction market is an assassination market. They claim to trade on "information" but it's more like "influence", and easiest way to influence an event is usually by sabotage.
stronglikedanabout 4 hours ago
a tale as old as time. e.g., fixing a fight or a game
mikhmha41 minutes ago
Great story! Loved reading it.

I also didn't see the notice it was a short story. So I was a bit puzzled when reading how Aaron built his own exchange as a novice programmer. To me building an exchange is high up on the scale of programming difficulty. Its one of those things you have to do extremely well or else no one will trust your platform.

sarreph2 minutes ago
> I also didn't see the notice it was a short story.

I'm starting to think perhaps I could have made the callout at the top a little clearer :)

Thank you for your words above also.

jamesforestwest23 minutes ago
What a great story. You have a very pleasant, flowing style. I didn't even notice it until I reached the end, it really captivated me
hitekker27 minutes ago
Reads a bit like an elevated resentment fantasy. A mostly ethical narrator narrating his friend’s morally deserved doom that keeps the narrator’s own hands mostly clean. And with the narrator holding a medal at the end.

That’s cathartic for some. For me, the narrator rather resembles one of the local tech millionaires, envious of the billionaires. The story doesn’t seem to know the narrator’s dishonesty.

mchaverabout 1 hour ago
I initially missed the line saying it was a short story and read through most of it as personal experience until the last couple of paragraphs. That made it even more exciting, but it is still very good as a fictional story.
ceroxylonabout 1 hour ago
Very good from start to finish, it reminds me of a darker version of the real story told in the 2009 documentary We Live In Public about Josh Harris.
sailfast28 minutes ago
Black Mirror adaptation when?
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mulhoon13 minutes ago
Loved it!
StilesCrisisabout 1 hour ago
Where did Aaron get the millions of dollars' worth of tokens from? The grannies?!?
arjieabout 1 hour ago
Strangely, doesn't load for me with some Vercel/NextJS error. Disabling Javascript displays the whole post, though.
john_strinlaiabout 2 hours ago
from your first post, a couple of days ago:

>What I'm saying is: that the sum total of blog posts I have actually published (for myself, not for work) is zero.

thanks for publishing this story. it kept me hooked throughout. i hope you continue to publish more.

sarrephabout 2 hours ago
Ah - thanks! I aim to keep it up!
jborichevskiyabout 1 hour ago
Great writing. Felt like it could be a Black Mirror episode
whiteblossomabout 2 hours ago
For all the Aarons out there, I think it would be very interesting to hear your POV.
photoniosabout 2 hours ago
Exceptionally well written! I was instantly hooked.
whiteblossomabout 3 hours ago
Thank you for this piece! I'll be thinking about Aaron during lunch today.
sarrephabout 2 hours ago
Thank you for your kind words.
unglaublichabout 2 hours ago
Hey you don't have to reply to each comment with a generic reply. It's a fine piece sure but let's not inflate this thread x2 with just "thank you for your words".
shimmanabout 3 hours ago
Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode "Shut up and Dance."

Great story and creating the character Aaron. You did an excellent job in making a very believable person that I think most of us have run into in tech adjacent spaces.

sarrephabout 2 hours ago
I appreciate you referencing Charlie Brooker as he is undoubtedly a subconscious influence on my writing! Thanks for your comment.
cynicalsecurityabout 1 hour ago
Before you read and waste your time:

== It's a fake story ==

fooster41 minutes ago
Otherwise known as fiction.
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nobodywillobsrvabout 1 hour ago
Good story and the classic problem with nearly all betting markets having viaticals embedded
variant_lengthabout 3 hours ago
This guy aaron doesnt sound very smart to me
jerf31 minutes ago
INT 18 WIS 3 is no way to go through life, son.

(Ref: https://www.quotes.net/mquote/3799 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkoPq5AOCOA )

gpvosabout 2 hours ago
There's a difference between intelligent and smart, the latter including being able to use your intelligence for a practical, real-life purpose, like improving your own life.
cute_boiabout 1 hour ago
I think he is smart and intelligent but lacks wisdom.
alunabout 4 hours ago
Very fun read. Thanks for posting it!
sarrephabout 2 hours ago
Appreciate the comment :)
Mr_Eri_Atlovabout 2 hours ago
Great story; it's amazing how many of us sympathize with or have had an Aaron in our lives.
stephenlfabout 4 hours ago
Spooky and riveting!
sarrephabout 4 hours ago
Thank you very much.
23davidabout 3 hours ago
Great short story!!
sarrephabout 2 hours ago
Thank you!
moralestapiaabout 4 hours ago
Man this piece should win an Emmy or something, it's so original and well written. I also couldn't spot much AI in there. Props to the author.

>rhythmically ejected spurts of bright red blood

Yeah man, like in music, synesthesia, I get you.

Unsurprisingly the author also makes music: https://rorz.io/music

One of his songs is called "Do androids dream of real sheep?"

What a fresh take on that classic quote! Made me spurt my kombucha, lol.

How can someone be SO talented. Thanks for sharing.

sarrephabout 4 hours ago
Such kind words…! I’m so honoured and humbled. Thank you.

P.S. - I didn’t use LLMs to write it, no! :)

andaiabout 3 hours ago
> I thought Aaron’s credits would run out and that would be the end of it: he would finally get a job.

Upon reading these words I experienced psychic damage from the blast of concentrated ambitionlessness.