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kashnoteabout 2 hours ago
I think we need to have a little more sympathy for GitHub. You could justify the jabs when we could all blame any outage on the migration to Azure, but then they shared numbers around the scale they're dealing with now that everyone is constantly building and pushing with AI.

I think it's commendable that they're not limiting access to the site or (intentionally) throttling newcomers. Yes, they need to get this figured out, but a little sympathy goes a long way. I personally wish them the best and hope their on-call people can go back to getting normal amounts of sleep soon.

gogobioabout 2 hours ago
Sympathy? It's a Microsoft company that is being ran with a consistency of a startup in early seed rounds. Their downtime is abhorrent and unacceptable as far as enterprise goes. Their engineers look like absolute amateurs allowing for such low class work it results in their customers experiencing industry leading downtime.
__MatrixMan__about 1 hour ago
Sympathy negated by their 2026 Pwnie award: "Lamest Vendor"

https://this.weekinsecurity.com/microsoft-wins-lamest-vendor...

javier2about 1 hour ago
and it has been so damn slow for a number of years now, it drives me insane.
sandeepkd4 minutes ago
I think somewhere down the line you have an answer to problem itself. Its for a while that companies are not into the business of sympathies, we should probably not get into that side for the topic.

1. Github has enterprise users who paid for the service, their day job requires Github to be available and working

2. Github has generous free tier which is the one which is exploring a lot more with the AI generated code.

It is a complexity in itself but the traffic should have been separated, the free users should not be allowed to bring down Github for enterprise customers (Just to clarify, I am free user myself). And if they do not have capacity it would have been perfectly fine to push back or throttle new users/repositories.

herpdyderpabout 2 hours ago
> I think it's commendable that they're not limiting access to the site or (intentionally) throttling newcomers.

I don't think this is commendable at all. I give GitHub a lot of money and I'm tired of it being wasted with downtime.

jjiceabout 2 hours ago
It's a shame that the GitHub org that we use at my job that we pay a lot of money for gets affected the same way my personal nonsense does.

I don't know the architecture or any of that, but I feel like there could be (and it's not like they would've really known this until the last year or two with the massive spike) separate infrastructure for paid users/orgs vs free the same way they make the distinction with enterprise.

I get the massive load changes that they are under over the last two years, but why does a bunch of vibe coded slop take down the same resources that my company pays for every single month and has for years? I imagine properly splitting that out would be an absolute headache and not worthwhile for them vs stabilizing the rest of the service, but damn it sucks when I get blocked at work because GH is down.

tempest_about 1 hour ago
Our GitlabCE instance has been sitting in the racks for nearly two years with almost 100% uptime running on 10 year old xeons that have long since paid for themselves.

Of course it is not free of all management but for our use case it is working.

There are hiccups with the CI runners from time time but nothing major and we have another machine in another rack that serves as a backup which can be brought up ~< 20 minutes.

I know companies have long since tossed their expertise for hosting their own stuff in favour of SaaS but at some point its hard to beat the up time of a single machine.

mronetwoabout 1 hour ago
We have a business relationship so no we shouldn’t have any sympathy. They sell a service and they’re failing to provide it.
ameliusabout 1 hour ago
Why? If we have sympathy for Apple then we can have sympathy for Microsoft ...
mirashiiabout 1 hour ago
You're the only mention of Apple in this thread, and I don't see what they have to do with it.
pimeysabout 1 hour ago
Wait, I don't sympathize Apple at all... Or any other American corporation.
padjoabout 2 hours ago
I don't typically have sympathy for businesses that fail to deliver a service as advertised.

I can have sympathy for the humans caught in the crossfire but only managing one nine of availability on a commercial service is not acceptable.

0xbadcafebee2 minutes ago
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jraph42 minutes ago
They did that to themselves, and doubly so.

They decided they needed to capture the whole open source ecosystem by turning open source work into social networking... on a proprietary platform (because open source is great, especially when it's others' software). That was before they joined Microsoft.

And then Microsoft pushed AI everywhere, including on GitHub itself with copilot.

I would have liked if they had left the open source projects alone and didn't create that FOMO for not using them.

I have no sympathy.

kstrauser12 minutes ago
> And then Microsoft pushed AI everywhere, including on GitHub itself with copilot.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I like AI. I work for an AI company. Still, Microsoft aggressively pushed GitHub users toward Copilot. They don't get to do that and complain about increased volume from AI-generated changes.

No Copilot + reasonable operation: the way things were

Copilot + reasonable operation: Well done!

No Copilot + being overwhelmed by AI commits: Sympathy.

Copilot + being overwhelmed by AI commits: "Where did that petard come from that's hoisting us?"

VCFundedGenYer39 minutes ago
"Leave the big trillion dollar corporation alone" is not the right idea.
mcmcmc9 minutes ago
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dpzabout 1 hour ago
Maybe for a free account.

But we pay enterprise license and GitHub is a big dependency in our software flow.

If this continues to be a problem as an enterprise product they need to do something. Otherwise theyre are going to to start losing business

nilteceduabout 1 hour ago
idk man, we pay stupid amounts of money to microsoft, we are an enterprise customer, expecting better availablity compared to my laptop isnt really a high bar.
JDupsabout 1 hour ago
Constant building with AI is something that they (Microsoft) promote and are heavily invested in.
bamboozled42 minutes ago
No, we don’t.
theideaofcoffeeabout 1 hour ago
Give me a break. Sympathy? For microsoft? That might have flown when github was like seven people, but they have nearly unlimited resources to make it better. They're just choosing not to. Let's talk contracts and money before we pull the sympathy card.

I used to be on-call in a high-traffic environment where single customers pushed more bits than entire nations. I chose the role. I didn't want people's sympathy, if anything, I wanted them to complain to management.

If it gets too bad they can quit. Maybe that would be for the best, just wear the thing down until it outright fails and no one wants to touch it. One less bullshit service sucking all of the oxygen out.

Fuzzwah8 minutes ago
Near the end of the 8.5 years that I worked at GitHub as an enterprise support engineer, I asked in an all hands if a "GitHub Classic" product had been considered. Much like World of Warcraft Classic, I imagined it would be a rewrite focused on matching the simpler feature set of the past.

I was basically given the same response that blizzard gave that question; "you think you want that but you don't".

JeremyHerrmanabout 2 hours ago
> "GitHub has had 1125 incidents since February 2016, implying a monthly incident rate of 24"

1125 incidents / 126 months ≈ 8.9 incidents per month, not 24

still terrible, but why such an obvious error in the first sentence...

graypegg29 minutes ago
Ahhh, I think the author mixed up two values here. That value seems to actually be the average over the past 3 months.

    const incidents = e.detail.incidents;
    
    // ...snip...
    
    const now = new Date();
    const threeMonthsAgo = new Date(now);
    threeMonthsAgo.setMonth(threeMonthsAgo.getMonth() - 3);
    
    // ...snip...
    
    var currentFreq = recentIncidents.length / 3; // <- We out here, smoking these guns with our homeboy Claude
    
    // ...snip...
    
    var earliest = null;
    for (var j = 0; j < incidents.length; j++) {
      var dd = new Date(incidents[j].started_at); // <- eventually incidents[j].started_at is "2016-03-01T07:07:37.000Z"
      if (!earliest || dd < earliest) earliest = dd;
    }
    
    // ...snip...
    
    document.getElementById('n-since').textContent = earliest
      ? earliest.toLocaleDateString('en-US', { month: 'long', year: 'numeric' })
      : '?';
    document.getElementById('n-rate').textContent = Math.round(currentFreq * 10) / 10;

#n-since is going to be either march or feburary. It'll change depending on your timezone because JS's Date object always shifts the date around to match the same instant but in the system's timezone.

#n-rate has nothing to do with the #n-since month, it's just the last trailing 3 months. And even then, it's sort of underbaked? It's moving the date back by 3 calendar months not taking into account differing numbers of days, so it'll under-report short months.

I wouldn't trust the stats here.

Edit: whoops, author updated the template while I was writing this! It now says "Over the last 3 months", though that's still calendar months.

6LLvveMx2koXfwnabout 1 hour ago
Not sure whether it has been updated since your comment, but the sentence now reads:

    GitHub has had 1125 incidents since March 2016. Over the last 3 months, they've averaged 24 incidents per month
edit: although they also have 1.2 days of downtime (in a day) for their 'worst days' of downtime table, which suggests some auto number crunching is not working as expected.
gen220about 1 hour ago
Yes I tweaked it! The number and copy were mismatched and are no longer!

That worst day is likely an overlapping incidents accounting issue; I tried to account for overlapping incidents in another view but probably failed to port it over there.

Should be fixed soon!

stevageabout 1 hour ago
> GitHub has had 1125 incidents since March 2016. Over the last 3 months, they've averaged 24 incidents per month (↓ 5% vs prev 3mo).

Looks like they fixed it already

4petesakeabout 1 hour ago
Prob used Copilot to write the excel formula...
bushbabaabout 2 hours ago
could have been a page with a static 'Yes' and a significant portion of time it'd be accurate.
Gander5739about 2 hours ago
Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/2236/
nightpoolabout 2 hours ago
Getting rid of Actions and Copilot and other secondary services almost halves Github's incident rate: https://i.imgur.com/XPcMIFr.png

I'm a big fan of Github Actions and I think people are often a little too harsh on it, but it's clear that it's sad that it's come at such a high cost to the platform's stability

Normal_gaussian41 minutes ago
Actions aren't secondary to most paid GH users; and if they are down it usually means no deployments and no tests, which can often halt work.
isityettime28 minutes ago
GitHub Actions is really, really badly designed. The security model is fundamentally broken, the YAML hell is as bad as any, the log streaming lags like hell, they charge self-hosted runners for using their coordination plane, jobs queuing is really slow, and their software for actually running jobs is cursed and designed in a way that is practically hostile to self-hosting.

GitHub Actions is god-awful. Have you ever used any other CI tools?

404mmabout 2 hours ago
If backend GitHub services are anything like GHES then I’m surprised it even managed to scale this much.
djieidj283about 1 hour ago
It’s ironic that the SCM that 2026 software engineers landed on, is one with a complicated distributed usage model and is slow/down because of a centralised service
rvzabout 2 hours ago
They were cooked the moment they got acquired by Microsoft.

This is why I foresaw that centralizing everything to GitHub was just generally a bad idea 6 years ago. [0]

Now that there is no CEO of GitHub, there is no point to GitHub improving.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22867803

GrumpySciGuyabout 1 hour ago
Yes, but I did not need to look at the tracker to know that.....
arlattimoreabout 2 hours ago
I literally chuckled out loud when I saw the headline :D
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kevmoabout 2 hours ago
An important thing to consider is how much of their uptime without incidents is not the normal working hours. Their incident-free uptime on 9-5 EST, Mon-Fri, is probably like 60%.
thomblesabout 1 hour ago
As a daily GitHub user in Australia I still haven’t figured out why everyone’s complaining about uptime. :)
CoastalCoderabout 2 hours ago
> Their incident-free uptime on 9-5 EST, Mon-Fri, is probably like 60%.

And it may be even worse in EDT, which is currently in effect!

perfectstormabout 2 hours ago
what's normal working hours? very US centric comment IMO. Europe, India, China, Latam etc. don't fall into your 9-5 EST normal working hour bucket.
padjoabout 2 hours ago
A service like GH will still show a daily usage pattern, often with a peak somewhere around 16:00 UTC when most of the US and Europe are at work.
boredatomsabout 1 hour ago
Im fairly certain that SWEs only exist on the US west coast
johneaabout 3 hours ago
Oh, I thought it said "Github Outrage Tracker".

I was ready to click...

HPsquaredabout 3 hours ago
That one would be like iscaliforniaonfire.com
jakub_gabout 3 hours ago
Possibly inspired by:

https://red-squares.cian.lol/

gen220about 2 hours ago
Hey! isgithubcooked.com is my site; I made this site in February '26, I think

The contribution graph as an outage calendar idea is a commonly recurring one :). I definitely saw it somewhere else as a static asset first before I made this site.

ChrisArchitectabout 2 hours ago