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Launch HN: Salem Robotics (YC S26) – Software for industrial inspection robots

SSalem_robotics about 5 hours ago 18 comments

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Hi HN, we're the founders of Salem Robotics (https://salemroboticsinc.com). We give existing mobile robots the task-specific intelligence to carry out surveys and physically interactive inspections in hazardous industrial facilities.

Here's a video of it running on real robot hardware with a few words from us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_228h3NE7c

We came to Salem through robotics research at UT Austin and a combined 15 years working in nuclear, including about 10 years developing and deploying autonomous robots at Los Alamos National Laboratory. Over the last five years, we kept running into the same gap: robot hardware had become very capable, but making a robot carry out a complete industrial procedure still required a surprising amount of robotics work and manual intervention.

The part that interested us most was manipulation. A nuclear contamination survey, for example, can require taking a "smear": wiping a defined area of a surface so it can be checked for removable radioactive contamination. In an oil, gas, or chemical facility, an LDAR (leak detection and repair) inspection can require moving a detector around a particular valve, flange, or connection. Other inspections require positioning an instrument at a precise location and orientation relative to a pipe or piece of equipment.

These are easy tasks to compress into verbs like "wipe", "measure", or "inspect", but considerably harder to make a robot do reliably. A probe might need to remain normal to a surface throughout a path, stay within a narrow offset from a pipe, or trace a region while maintaining a particular end-effector orientation. The planner has to find a feasible motion while respecting the task geometry, manipulator kinematics, joint limits, collisions, and the environment around it.

We work down to joint-level control for those interactions. One problem we've spent a lot of time on is generating constrained manipulation plans quickly enough that they can be based on the geometry the robot actually observes instead of requiring someone to carefully author a trajectory for every individual surface, valve, or flange.

The physical world makes this annoying. A few centimeters of error may not matter much when navigating down a hallway, but it matters if a sensor is supposed to remain normal to a curved surface. And successfully executing a trajectory doesn't necessarily mean the inspection worked. The detector could be misaligned, contact could be wrong, the geometry could differ from the model, or the measurement itself could be invalid. We care about closing that loop around the inspection result, not just whether the arm reached the commanded pose.

Our approach is a combination of AI and classical robotics. A lot of robotics research and industry attention right now is going toward increasingly end-to-end learned systems, particularly around humanoids. Working in safety-critical environments has made us appreciate how relevant classical approaches still are when you want explicit constraints, predictable behavior, and theoretical guarantees about what a robot can and cannot do.

We use AI where semantic understanding and flexibility are useful, such as interpreting less structured information or understanding what in an unfamiliar scene is relevant to a procedure. Once the system knows what physical interaction it needs to perform, we prefer explicit geometry, planning, optimization, and control where possible. We're interested in the marriage between the two rather than trying to make every part of the robotics stack learned.

The other idea behind Salem is that we don't think every useful robot application should require building a new robot. Companies like Boston Dynamics are getting very good at building increasingly capable hardware platforms. We think there is room for a domain-specific application layer on top of that hardware. The same underlying robot might perform nuclear radiological surveys in one facility and LDAR inspections in another, but the procedures, sensors, manipulation constraints, success conditions, and outputs are different.

That's also why we're hardware agnostic. We don't expect one robot to be the best platform forever, and facilities already own different hardware. We'd rather describe an inspection in terms of what needs to happen and then map that onto the capabilities of the right robot for the job.

One thing that surprised us after spending more time with facilities is how manual many inspection workflows still are. In sophisticated nuclear and industrial sites, people still physically walk survey routes, take measurements one at a time, visually inspect equipment, record results manually, and sometimes make judgments based on things like how a component sounds. Some of the basic workflows would be recognizable to someone doing the job decades ago, even though the sensors, computation, and robots available today are radically different.

We're starting with radiological inspection in nuclear because it's the industry we know best, and we're also working on manipulation-heavy inspection problems in oil, gas, and hazardous chemical facilities. The technicians and inspectors still define the procedure, interpret results, and make the consequential judgments. We're trying to automate more of the repetitive physical execution that currently requires someone to enter the environment or manually operate a robot.

We sell directly to industrial facilities, usually starting with a paid technical validation and then moving to an ongoing deployment. Pricing varies substantially with the workflow: validations range from tens of thousands to over $100k, and larger deployments can range from the low hundreds of thousands to roughly $500k per robot.

One thing we're especially curious to hear HN's thoughts on is where the abstraction boundary in robotics should sit. What should come from the robot manufacturer, what belongs in an application layer, and what will inevitably remain specific to the facility? We'd also be interested in hearing about other industries where you've seen physical inspection tasks that look trivial to a person but are surprisingly difficult to automate.

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a_t48about 3 hours ago
Congrats on the launch. I've been in the robotics industry for a decade now, I've seen that boundary lie at many different places. I'm not sure there's a clear cut answer.

Self plug: I'm the founder of Clipper, a container registry that has 10x faster pulls and 7x faster builds over DockerHub, targeted at robotics. I got tired of robotics deploys taking all day and fixed it myself. If you're interested in that or just want to talk shop, let's chat.

ryanisnanabout 3 hours ago
What about container registries do robotics companies need that are different from other industries?
a_t48about 3 hours ago
Docker is built for web. The mental model is that the internet speed is relatively fast, the image is relatively small, and the device you're pulling onto is starting with essentially no data. All three of these assumptions are wrong for robotics:

  - I've had someone in the Docker discord tell me at length that my container shouldn't be bigger than 1GB, which is impossible the moment you pull in CUDA or any ML libraries.

  - Robots pull over 3G/Starlink/slow customer WiFi

  - Robots are edge devices! They have previous related images, they aren't pulling onto a fresh disk like on web.

It's super common to have a layer in your Dockerfile that has several GB worth of dependencies. If you touch one of the dependencies, it thrashes that layer and anything below it. To quote the CPO from a company I left "Anytime anyone looks at the container the wrong way its a 13g dl over a shit cell connection or starlink". It's extra shit because most of the data the robot is pulling, the robot already has in another layer!

Clipper solves this by breaking apart Docker layers and indexing the files within. When you pull an image it will reuse related files in images you already have on your device. This has other side benefits as well, like being able to mount layers as networked filesystems and much more easily being able to run P2P updates.

It's less that robotics needs a different container registry and more that robotics needs a better container transport, and I've built the infrastructure around it for my registry.

lesivaabout 4 hours ago
> We use AI where semantic understanding and flexibility are useful, such as interpreting less structured information or understanding what in an unfamiliar scene is relevant to a procedure. Once the system knows what physical interaction it needs to perform, we prefer explicit geometry, planning, optimization, and control where possible...

> A few centimeters of error may not matter much when navigating down a hallway, but it matters if a sensor is supposed to remain normal to a curved surface.

This is a great specific example of where the creativity (read: randomness) of AI runs into a wall. Do you see this changing over time as models improve, or do you expect that safety-critical / highly specific tasks will always require a more explicit set of instructions?

Salem_roboticsabout 4 hours ago
That creativity/randomness presents itself in different ways depending on the application of the AI. In robotics, that randomness means variance in the motion of the robots physical body and arm(s). I think over time as labs get better at understanding and quantifying the uncertainty of model outputs there could absolutely be a place for full end-to-end AI in safety-critical environments. But today, we believe that is not the best approach for these applications.
akshay_akulaabout 5 hours ago
Congrats on the launch. "Successfully executing a trajectory doesn't mean the inspection worked" is a great frame, closing the loop on the measurement itself is the hard part.
akshay_akulaabout 2 hours ago
Makes sense, catching a bad measurement in the moment beats finding out after the robot has left the site.
Salem_roboticsabout 4 hours ago
Thanks, analyzing the data collection in real time plays a major part in assuring we actually collect the data we set out to.
sidcoolabout 4 hours ago
Congrats on launching. This should get more attention
janakpanthiabout 3 hours ago
Thanks, YC launches have helped quite a bit with drawing attention. We're hoping HN will pronounce it more.
martythemaniakabout 1 hour ago

  > We use AI where semantic understanding and flexibility are useful, such as interpreting less structured information or understanding what in an unfamiliar scene is relevant to a procedure. Once the system knows what physical interaction it needs to perform, we prefer explicit geometry, planning, optimization, and control where possible. We're interested in the marriage between the two rather than trying to make every part of the robotics stack learned.
Congrats on the launch. I love this part, because it is also the working theory behind my robot clearing robot project (http://www.frost-e.com). I'm new to robotics, but it seems to me there's a gap between classic robotics tools and approaches (ROS2-based navigation, local YOLO-based object detection etc) and the video-input-to-actuator-output VLA models that robot labs are showcasing. In fact, I kinda think the big labs are trying to boil the ocean - long horizons, 6DoF actuator control, cross embodiment, generalization, etc etc.

Seems to me is that if you restrict the problem space, have well defined tasks, then marry the semantic understanding and reasoning of VLMs with the geometric tools of classical approaches, then you could have something practical and economical.

droidjjabout 5 hours ago
Is "Salem" a tongue-in-cheek nod to being a small, quirky competitor to Boston Dynamics (Salem, MA : Boston, MA :: Salem Robotics : Boston Dynamics)?

If so, as someone who lives close to Salem, I like it :)

Good luck to you guys.

Salem_roboticsabout 4 hours ago
Haha it wasn't, but we might steal that for our story going forward.
vegnusabout 4 hours ago
is this based in Salem MA? If so, nice
janakpanthiabout 4 hours ago
Cofounder here. we're based in Austin, TX, but yes, the name alludes to Salem MA. We're bringing inanimate objects to life through robotics, haha.
alexchantavyabout 4 hours ago
First thing I thought of too, I love it
sidcoolabout 4 hours ago
Salem Statics
janakpanthiabout 3 hours ago
Boston Dynamics vs Salem Statics, haha. Seriously though, we are very complimentary to BD, since Spot is one of the platforms we deploy on.