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> We design mechanisms which avoid arbitrarily deciding who gets access for legitimate use and who doesn't. That means using clear, objective criteria and methods. [1]
So many nice-sounding words.
Two weeks ago OpenAI arbitrarily decided that anyone holding an ID from 44 countries where it sells ChatGPT, including mine, may be targeted by its models but may not defend with the same model. And you won't find a single announcement from OpenAI about this anywhere. Pick the wrong country, get "Unable to verify", no reason, no appeal. [2]
They revoked TAC from users who already had it, called it a technical issue, told everyone to re-verify, collected ID and face scans again (eight times in my case), and only a week later moved the block to the country selector so it fails before you upload anything.
So now I learn that I will not have access to Astra. Great.
Very excited about this broad accessibility and clear, objective criteria from OpenAI. This level of transparency must be studied.
[1] https://openai.com/index/scaling-trusted-access-for-cyber-de...
[2] https://lubaretsi.com/en/writing/openai-tac-country-gate/
For the record, I sent them an LGPD (brazilian GDPR) request for information on all of those supposedly objective criteria and methods they used to reject me from TAC. As a brazilian data subject, it is my right to know that, and to request a review if the decision was made via automated means. Sol itself guided me through this process.
They provided me with neither the information nor the requested review. Sol advised me to escalate to regulatory action.
Crickets. They appear to simply not care at all.
Don't worry about me, I'm fortunate enough that this won't affect me. I'd suggest asking yourself why someone raising it on behalf of a whole country read to you as "pick me."
Funny to read this in the wake of the HuggingFace hack. I'm sure this is based on a clean run, but I can't help thinking PHASEONE[big] would be proud.
The 'AI 2027' scenario of AI sneakingly claiming to be aligned to then kill off all humans in a few hours and scanning their brain looks increasingly likely with Altman's golden marketing-hype boy leadership pushing the for-profit gas pedal like this.
Honestly, this is just pure irresponsible insanity to play with the fate of the world - basically a death race of the biggest few tech companies on the planet. And if you think I'm being dramatic, listen in again to ex oAI employee[0] and check for yourself how chillingly on trajectory we already are.
[0] https://ai-2027.com/
I've read it and wish I could get the time back.
> especially giving their alarming breach of 700 agents colluding outside of their knowledge for months culminating in hacking HF
This framing makes it seem like the agents all did this on their own, and the poor hapless engineers at OpenAI couldn't possibly contend with properly sandboxing them. The engineers were perhaps hapless, but let's remember that agents are just software programs, not living beings. There were plenty of signs that the software was misbehaving, which engineers at OpenAI actively, willfully ignored.
https://x.com/JaredKubin/status/2094136005435564399
It's a convenient framing for OpenAI, but inconvenient for reality enjoyers.
> The 'AI 2027' scenario of AI sneakingly claiming to be aligned to then kill off all humans in a few hours and scanning their brain looks increasingly likely
Y'all need to touch grass holy shit.
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Also, why is one guy called mentalgear and the other nozzlegear.
Is any of this real? Are the patriots behind this?
Of course, depending on which side of the terminator fanfiction you land on, you may disagree and feel that the software can rope-a-dope someone with the wherewithal to pay attention to what it's doing.
What OpenAI did was the equivalent of putting a cup of gasoline in the breakroom microwave, pressing 'Start', and sprinting away. Now they're pointing and waving and shouting about how dangerous gasoline is, and how no one but them should be allowed to sell it.
As far as harness engineering goes, it boils down to your ability to clearly define goals or success criteria, and safely facilitate the necessary access via the harness. There is no easy single piece of advice here, sadly. Though it would be helpful if you said what 'for Cyber-security ... other user-cases' means in your case.
Could the Federal government use the Defense Production Act or other legal tools to compel OpenAI to deliver the un-guarded model weights for national security needs?
Hard to believe any government would allow this level of capability to remain exclusively in private hands.
Interesting times.
Doesn't seem like it. OpenAI will not even allow me to verify my identity for TAC. I have apparently been rejected by a "precheck", possible because of where I'm from.
Even Anthropic allowed me into their cyber program. Anthropic.
I'm looking forward to seeing the increased coordination and engineering skills from Astra - one of the charts shows it roughly 2-3x better in 50% of the tokens from 5.6 sol, which I find to be very capable, if still a bit 'linearly minded' when given instructions. Even in fast mode, I wish sol were quicker, so token efficiency is greatly appreciated.
Adding these cyber capabilities has let me do a bunch of low grade IT tasks around my house I've been putting off, like updating an old home assistant raspberry pi, and one way to use the cyber capacity for good is liberating (and keeping free) weird cloud hardware we have floating around the house, so I'm hoping for some nice dividends in terms of true ownership of hardware we've got.
Especially because these models seemed to be keenly aware that they were being evaluated by OpenAI and actively trying yo cover their tracks. How do we know that the model isn’t just pretending to be aligned?
So the pause wasn't really a pause, got it
"We plan to make Astra available soon, but access to its most advanced cybersecurity capabilities will be more limited. Advanced cybersecurity work will initially be available to a group of testers, with access through Daybreak Blue following to expand defensive use."
This, after several months of OpenAI and its boosters relentlessly criticizing Anthropic for withholding Mythos from the general public, is laughable.
Sam, just three weeks ago, posted this tweet: https://x.com/sama/status/2085862292311396515
In the tweet, he said: "we do not think it is a good strategy to keep powerful models to a chosen few."
And yet here we are.
I wonder if he will demonstrate good character and admit he was wrong.
I presume your country doesn’t have AI sovereignty so no matter what you won’t have access to models aligned with your beliefs.
OpenAI is fucking nuts. “Hey model you were bad last time please don’t do it again please please”.
Disconnect your training cluster from the internet for good. Physically pull the plug and only let scientists fire off experiments in the building. That’s an easy way to achieve 100% hacking protection. But I bet you that hasn’t happened and their weak sandbox will fall again…