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In November and December 2025, inspired by Simon Willison’s pelican-riding-a-bicycle benchmark, I had some then-current LLMs create SVGs from thirty similar prompts, such as “Generate an SVG of an octopus operating a pipe organ.” Simon mentioned that experiment on his blog [1].

Nine months have passed and much stronger models have been released, so I tried the experiment again today. The linked site shows the results.

Running ten of the prompts through six models at OpenRouter cost about twenty dollars, so I stopped there for now.

[1] https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/25/

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svcrunch•1 day ago

I'd like to mention the Little Dorrit Benchmark [1] which I have been running for a couple of years now. It has a few nice features:

1. It tests visual reasoning and structured output in a single task.

2. It seems to sort correctly on advancing general intelligence. As a counterexample, if I'm not misremembering, artificialanalysis.ai made some changes to their benchmark recently after Astra ranked below several older models.

3. While models have gotten significantly better in the past 2 years, the top model is still at 0.78 F1, so the test is not yet saturated. As a reference point, when I started, the top models were in the [0.1, 0.2] range.

[1] https://dorrit.pairsys.ai/

vova_hn2•1 day ago

Website looks very cool, Fable's octopus-organist looks very cute, but I feel like this benchmark (generate an SVG by a short and slightly ridiculous description) in general has been completely Goodharted [0].

I think they all just added a bunch of similar tasks to their training sets, so we cannot judge true emergent capabilities of the models anymore.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

andy_ppp•about 22 hours ago

“I think they all just added a bunch of similar tasks to their training sets, so we cannot judge true emergent capabilities of the models anymore.”

This has been the plan since the start of all this, they regurgitate code in ever better forms but they still aren’t inventing new things yet.

GaggiX•1 day ago

I don't think a bunch of similar tasks can really saturate the "create a SVG of X", because the model should have a quite good spatial understanding of the world and how everything interacts.

For example Gemini 3.8 Flash seems very impressive at first glance but the results are not actually very coherent, this shows that its "world model" is not particularly great (compare to SOTA models).

meta-level•about 3 hours ago

Qwen 3.8 Flash-Next is really missing here (because it's small enough to run it locally on a (formerly) affordable machine). This is what Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-UD-Q4_K_XL gives me for "an octopus operating a pipe organ": https://imgur.com/a/zHyHIqI Seems very similar to the output of Qwen 3.8 Max to me

samayashar•1 day ago

All models are pretty good now at generating these images. Back in the day, I remember experimenting with the pelican images and most of the models couldn't align the legs with the wheels. Right now as well, GPT messed up an octopus leg by originating it through the instrument rather than the octopus itself.

I think that intertwining two entities (living/non-living) is still challenging but overall they're pretty sound.

honeycrispy•1 day ago

> All models are pretty good now at generating these images.

That's pretty generous.

CamperBob2•1 day ago

All models are pretty good now at generating these images.

Not zebras. If you want to see how bad SVG output still is, ask for a zebra riding a scooter.

outlore•about 23 hours ago

Anyone else surprised the generations look so remarkably similar? All of these models have “independently” generalized that the moose should roughly be standing at the same position (left) or that the giraffe should have a certain color palette.

Terr_•about 23 hours ago

With respect to bikes (with or without pelicans) there's a strong natural bias because people displaying bikes tend to want to show off the side with the gears.

More-generally, I suspect an influence from how left-to-right languages (i.e. English) affect comic layouts. Overcoming that bias often means using vertical space to exploit the top-to-bottom habit instead. (Consider the rarity of an English-language comic panel where action is from bottom-right to top-left.)

theshrike79•about 10 hours ago

What's interesting to me is that the SVG versions don't have the "AI Image generation hates negative space" issue as badly as generated images do. They kinda stay on point and don't fill every single empty bit with some pattern.

kennywinker•about 24 hours ago

Would love to see Qwen3.8-27b here, since that is the model most people are running locally.

ianberdin•about 21 hours ago

https://playcode.io/blog/macbook-svg-benchmark

MacBook Pro 3D in SVG for me the most helpful one.

steinvakt2•1 day ago

Feels like google has a different training set than the others?

sajithdilshan•1 day ago

Interesting, out of all examples Gemini 3.8 is the best for me. Also the image style is different and more vibrant than others

Jordan-117•1 day ago

Better than Astra and Fable? It looks quite pretty and even impressive at times if you squint, but look closer and it falls apart in terms of coherency. And I say that as somebody who mains Gemini 3.8.

zaphar•1 day ago

I notice none of the octopi seem to be actually facing the organ.

miohtama•about 19 hours ago

I hope there would be parameter iterations allowing especially cheaper models on inspect and fix their output via rendering

andy_ppp•about 22 hours ago

Love the output from Qwen 3.8 it seems very impressive for the cost! Why does Gemini 3.8 flash blur everything? What are Google playing at!

pohl•about 21 hours ago

Gemini 2.5 Pro is the only model with a sense of where a ferris wheel operator would be.

eleventen•about 21 hours ago

I was picturing that fleet of playground equipment they turned into space ships in the Jimmy Neutron movie, so Astra gets my vote.

https://youtu.be/w0qDV2QhAlg?si=JyHS6rZLmIGAuTd3&t=46

sceptic123•1 day ago

> An elephant typing on a typewriter

A monkey, surely?

eddytrex_•1 day ago

Does a test of instructions how to fold origami figures in a SVG/jpeg exist? Or could be useful?

BrokenCogs•1 day ago

Gemini 3.8 flash seems to (subjectively) be the outlier in terms of performance to cost ratio?

pixelesque•1 day ago

Its giraffe / grandfather clock one is pretty bad... (two necks? wearing a suit?)

Weird as well, it's clearly pulled out some 1884 patent on clock designs, and a quick ddg/google doesn't show it as anything to do with grandfather clocks.

GaggiX•1 day ago

Gemini 3.8 Flash results are often not very coherent but it does put a lot of shading and details to hide the fact.

neilellis•1 day ago

Well that benchmark is now saturated, what next. How fast you can hack the pentagon?

dustfinger•1 day ago

It is interesting how similar the designs are across the models.

qiine•1 day ago

Asking to animate it add an interesting layer of difficulty

ormax3•1 day ago

I noticed in the "A penguin juggling chainsaws" prompt that Qwen created an animated svg

input_sh•1 day ago

I'd say at least half of Qwen's 2026 runs are animated.

The only other one I've spotted is animated is Gemini 3.0's 2025 run of an elephant.

water-drummer•about 21 hours ago

Ok the Grok ones are cute

mock-possum•1 day ago

Try asking an LLM to draw you the cool S.

amysox•about 22 hours ago

Or something like, "Draw an S, then a more different S, close it up real good here, then using consummate V's, add teeth, and scales, and eyebrows, and legs. And then add smoke, and fire, and some wings, and one of those big beefy arms for good measure." :D :D :D

dcreater•1 day ago

Why is this a good test?

simonw•about 21 hours ago

I love these.

villish•1 day ago

The 3 US models have their own style.

Qwen3.8 is very clearly distilled from Claude models.