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minitechabout 1 hour ago
Actual title: “Vectorized and performance-portable Quicksort” (2022).

Actual sense in which it’s first:

> Happily, modern instruction sets (Arm SVE, RISC-V V, x86 AVX-512) include a special instruction suitable for partitioning. Given a separate input of yes/no values (whether an element is less than the pivot), this "compress-store" instruction stores to consecutive memory only the elements whose corresponding input is "yes". We can then logically negate the yes/no values and apply the instruction again to write the elements to the other partition. This strategy has been used in an AVX-512-specific Quicksort. But what about other instruction sets such as AVX2 that don't have compress-store? Previous work has shown how to emulate this instruction using permute instructions.

> We build on these techniques to achieve the first vectorized Quicksort that is portable to six instruction sets across three architectures, and in fact outperforms prior architecture-specific sorts.

bee_riderabout 1 hour ago
Well, it came out a while ago, so maybe we can be a bit silly:

There’s something sort of beautiful about mergesort and heapsort. Their names tell you what their main idea is, and how they work is immediately obvious.

Quicksort, on the other hand, has nothing beautiful about it and is named after it’s one redeeming feature (that it is quick for a lot of cases).

rodrigosetti12 minutes ago
Maybe if Hoare had called it Partitionsort in 1960, the name wouldn’t have been memorable enough to catch on and become so popular.
thesz14 minutes ago
The beauties of quicksort are that it sorts in-place and that it is embarrassingly simple.

The in-place property can be utilized to make it very close to cache-oblivious algorithm.

teiferer14 minutes ago
How is it less beautiful?

Honest question, curious to hear about what that means to you.

zX41ZdbW40 minutes ago
Strange to see it here, the article is quite old.

Since pdqsort, vqsort, and glide sort, the current state-of-the-art are driftsort and ipnsort.

I've integrated them into ClickHouse: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/pull/106650

djsavvyabout 1 hour ago
Definitely needs (2022) in the title, I was a bit confused!
mixologicabout 1 hour ago
> Our implementation uses Highway's portable SIMD functions, so we do not have to re-implement about 3,000 lines of C++ for each platform.

Would they do the same thing today or have an LLM re-implement those 3000 lines of c++ ?

atiedebee44 minutes ago
Id say that it is a lot more likely for the in-house, at least half a decade old library to be correct and performant than 3000 lines of an LLMs mediocre regurgitation of that code.
glouwbug40 minutes ago
Guys, remember when language features allowed re-usability?
kgabout 1 hour ago
(2022)

If you're curious why you would want a vectorized way to sort lists of numbers, one use case is building histograms - it's much easier to build a histogram if you've sorted all your samples first

mcdonjeabout 1 hour ago
>(2002)

I wonder what apps have implemented this now that a few years have passed.

sciencesama32 minutes ago
this was made like 4 years back most of the current algorithms use this already !
brrrrrm36 minutes ago
only sorts numbers? wouldn't radix be much better?
rvz33 minutes ago
Just imagine when candidates will get asked by pre-revenue startups to implement a vectorized version of quick-sort in person in 10 mins, just for a SWE job which they do not use this themselves.

Only the likes of MAG 7, and a couple of hedge-funds would ask to do it since this problem directly applies to them.

But certainly not pre-revenue startups.

glouwbugabout 1 hour ago
Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's quicksort