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subpixel4 minutes ago
Really hard-core, old-school Charleston accent missing: https://youtu.be/rxNZrFyl2DA?si=Wkb6EgFWiwggGRYD&t=1309
JKCalhoun5 minutes ago
My daughter (grew up in California) wondered what the "Kansas accent" was (I grew up in Kansas). I often called it a drawl.

She goes to college in Kansas now and is still confused. Perhaps growing up with me it just sounds "normal".

I'll point her to the band, "The Embarrassment" in various interviews:

[1] https://youtu.be/0gyChDSjrXc

[2] https://youtu.be/kJBDRdDjgWY

dave4270about 2 hours ago
New Orleans drops mic... I'm from River Ridge in the Jefferson Parish suburbs ( within the city area ) and if I meet a stranger somewhere else in the country they, after one or two sentences, usually think I'm from New York. But slipping into one of the many dialects we have here is never far away, depending on who you are conversing with. Only locals will understand, but my wife used to tell me that after 2 sentences my dad and I would start talking like we were "from Kenner" and she couldn't follow the conversation. To non-locals, Kenner is directly next to River Ridge.
ghaffabout 2 hours ago
Yeah, when I lived there, a lot of native New Orleans dialect had a lot in common with Brooklyn to my ears.

Started work there at the same time as a school classmate who grew up in Jacksonville. Spent a lot of time doing engineering work on offshore drilling rigs. Told my friend I really had trouble understanding people a lot of the time. He said he did as well :-)

selimthegrimabout 1 hour ago
Also a lot of Chalmatians still possess a strongly related 'yat accent. Is there a "River Ridge, brah" joke too?
dave427036 minutes ago
No, that would be a union violation. "Kenna, brah" is an institution. And I can't believe I just read "Chalmatians" on HN. Full disclosure, I went to Holy Cross when it was still in the Ninth Ward. Chalmatian has been part of my vocabulary since the 80's. I'm sure every big city has its neighborhoods with individual cultures, but our heavily mixed population combined with insular land masses tend to create very distinct niches that all have the common thread of "The City that Care Forgot".
bluedinoabout 1 hour ago
Fred Armisen does a great bit on North American accents

https://youtu.be/G72tZdjnS2A?si=oMaLfGgJAZxaoAHn

999900000999about 3 hours ago
Is anyone archiving these accents ?

As much as I’m happy that kids now have access to YouTube, and thus can use the neutral influencer dialect, something about our culture is being erased.

I grew up speaking both a neutral California accent and bits of AAVE. AAVE itself is drastically different depending on the part of the US you’re in. I can barely understand southern AAVE. NYC AAVE is much faster, but I think NYC people think faster in general.

I really do believe YouTube can bring gaps. If your a kid in Albania you can see life though the eyes of someone in Oakland.

And hop on a zoom 30 minutes later to chat. This would be unimaginable 50 years ago.

JKCalhoun20 minutes ago
Some of the YouTube links are broken or have moved Private. Too bad.
roxolotlabout 2 hours ago
They have audio samples if that’s what you mean. The ones from where I grew up were spot on but rare even when I was growing up in the 90s.

https://aschmann.net/AmEng/#AudioFilesOfLocalDialects

ghaffabout 2 hours ago
Radio followed by television has done a lot of homogenization even if you don't have the more formalized received pronunciation you had/have in the UK. Even something stereotypical like a "Boston accent" was mostly a Southie accent on the one hand and an essentially English (Boston Brahmin) on the other. Most urbanites in particular never had others and many weren't even from Boston.
thaumasiotesabout 1 hour ago
> And hop on a zoom 30 minutes later to chat. This would be unimaginable 50 years ago.

It was pretty easy to imagine 50 years ago. For example, Star Trek started airing 60 years ago. The Jetsons started airing a few years before that.

9999000009999 minutes ago
And it would be basically free and accessible to anyone? Two 50$ cell phones can Zoom using library WiFi across the globe
pessimizer23 minutes ago
> AAVE itself is drastically different depending on the part of the US you’re in.

That's because AAVE is a really dumb term that only caught on because a black man (McWhorter) introduced it.

It was a convenient way to advertise your inclusiveness while simultaneously dismissing the way black people speak by lumping them all together (a lot of woke has been insisting that all black people, or even all non-white people are fungible, like commodities.) Even better, you could show that you listen to a black linguist who, iirc, is the son of professors who grew up in a university environment, knowing no more about black language variation than any number of white people.

The way black Americans speak is as varied as the way white Americans speak, and is often far more similar to their white neighbors than to the black people in the next state over. Also, black Americans don't call themselves "African-American" unless they were raised in a white environment. Never have.

chkaloonabout 1 hour ago
Glad to see the special mention of the Mat Su Valley in Alaska. Lived there for 10 years, originally from Wisconsin. And yes, the two are VERY similar. Not the exactly the same, I did notice a difference when I moved back to WI, more nasal. But the Mat Su Valley was populated by Midwestern farmers during the Depression, so it makes sense.
taylorhughesabout 3 hours ago
Reminds me of the awesome (old) New York Times dialect quiz, which was weirdly accurate: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/dialect-quiz...
JKCalhoun11 minutes ago
Paywalled, but I am reminded of people who study dialects being able to discern where someone is from using a kind of binary tree approach. In some cases a single word differentiating which side of a specific hill they were born.
walthamstowabout 3 hours ago
A recent series of Alone was won by a guy from Goose Bay, Labrador. To my ear, as a Brit, it just sounds Irish, right down to saying 'tree' for 'three'. I can only imagine that's where the initial settlers were from and the isolation meant it never changed much.
unsupp0rtedabout 3 hours ago
Spoilers! That season/series was a really fun watch.

In previous seasons/series they didn't have the formula down yet, so 2/3rds of the episode were one literally starving person after another, just sighing into a camera about how hungry they are, how cold it is, and how nothing is changing.

Whereas in this one some people did incredibly well, others tapped out after setbacks, illness, or made thinly-veiled excuses about illness (even though they just lost the drive to stay in it). 5/5 would recommend.

walthamstowabout 2 hours ago
Great show. There were some series which were a bit sad and just became about who was the poorest and most desperate to stick it out for 500k.
nielsbotabout 9 hours ago
These are fun relevant videos:

Accent Expert Gives a Tour of U.S. Accents - (Part One) | WIRED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1KP4ztKK0A&t=271s

paganelabout 7 hours ago
This page/project itself is another proof of the cultural significance of YT, one of the very few positive things brought by the Internet post-2010.
Simulacraabout 4 hours ago
I think it would take a mighty sensitive ear to tell the difference between someone who is in Charleston, versus Savannah.
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walrus01about 5 hours ago
This has missed the Atlantic Canadian Cape Breton dialect, which if you listen to some age 70+ people who've lived their whole lives in the Sydney, NS area is significantly distinct from Halifax or other areas in the south/southwest of Nova Scotia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Cape_Breton

buu709about 4 hours ago
Most of Newfoundland being lumped in with the Atlantic Provinces too. For the most part you can tell where on the island someone is from based solely on the accent. Hell, I've lived & worked with people from the south coast and I still have a hard time even understanding them sometimes.
shevy-javaabout 5 hours ago
Goose language? Or yankee doodels?

I was taught British English. I think America English is in many ways simpler, but my brain is wired to british spelling as well as pronounciation for the most part. Now it depends who has good spoken british english. One of my all-time favourites is Rowan Atkinson, but his english is kind of more theater-trained really; if you compare it to the Monty Python guys for instance. War criminal Tony Blair also has a good spoken english - not that I like the guy or find anything useful he said or did, but british english wins. Or we could go scottish - I don't quite like it as much as british english (Patrick Stewart also has a good intonation, but it's also more theater-trained than "real", per se), but one of the coolest thing ever is Gerard Butler teaching people scottish. What keeps scots apart from English is the language really. (Though, I also have to say, Sean Connery's dialect was nowhere near as funny or entertaining as Gerard's dialect. Guess even in Scotland there are diffferences.)

Irish english sounds more melodic - no wonder they kept on winning Eurovision. Paul David Hewson's voice in his prime is a great example.

I've also found African American english very interesting. One thing that keeps on tripping me up is "asking" versus "axsking". To me only the british pronounciation works, but I hear sooooo many axxing examples on youtube that I concluded that this must be widespread in the USA. I always have to think of an axe when I hear it though.

gtrabout 4 hours ago
Patrick Stewart is from Yorkshire not Scotland, by the way.
throw0101aabout 4 hours ago
> Patrick Stewart is from Yorkshire not Scotland, by the way.

I thought the House of Picard was from France…

bigfishrunningabout 2 hours ago
Acting!
DeathArrowabout 5 hours ago
>Now it depends who has good spoken british english.

My favorites are David Attenborough and BBC in general.

zabzonkabout 4 hours ago
The BBC actually has an official "Pronunciation Unit", which tells people like newsreaders the "proper" way to pronounce words and placenames. Unfortunately, particularly in the latter case they often get it wrong. For example, my late Dad was born in a small West Yorkshire town called Sowerby Bridge, which the unit insists should be said Sourbee Bridge. Everyone, without exception, who lives there knows it is Sorebee Bridge. Writing in to the BBC complaining about this and many other similar errors is a popular hobby.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Pronunciation_Unit

bitwizeabout 2 hours ago
Local pronunciations of place names are often different from what's expected, and whether intended to be such or not, are often used as shibboleths to distinguish locals from outsiders. The examples of Couch Street (/ˈkutʃ/) in Portland, Oregon and Tchoupitoulas Street (/ˌtʃɑp.ə.ˈtuː.ləs/) in New Orleans, Louisiana come to mind in American place names.
nephihahaabout 6 hours ago
I feel that the Maritimes are somewhat simplified here, especially Newfoundland and Labrador which has some of the most distinctive accents on the continent, at least among older people.
walrus01about 5 hours ago
It's absolutely oversimplified, someone from a small coastal town in Newfoundland does not sound at all like a person from much of the same area labeled "atlantic canadian" in Nova Scotia, or in larger cities like Fredericton or Moncton in NB. Putting basically all of NB, NS and NF as one large pink blob on the map is a drastic oversimplifiaction.

It also seems that whoever created this kind of gave up when figuring out Canadian speech patterns spanning longitude from east to west. Somebody from Kenora or Dryden or Timmins Ontario does not speak like a person from North Vancouver, BC. Vancouver region English is much closer to general west coast as it's spoken in a big city in WA, OR or California.

suddenlybananasabout 5 hours ago
I'd agree completely but this could just be due to logistical constraints of the ANAE, I took a course with Charles Boberg (one of the authors of the ANAE) and he was definitely aware of that, I vaguely recall learning from him that the Newfoundlander accent traditionally doesn't have t/d flapping which is totally unique in North America. Great class, he definitely has an incredible knack for precisely imitating accents.