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himata4113•about 2 hours ago
Florida and most dry / sunny states having little to no solar panels is pretty damn wild.

I know in florida you have janky laws stopping you, but below 10kw it's still relatively easy.

I have a friend who installed <10kw of solar panels and they're now 97% off-grid in hot, wet florida weather with an old low-seer AC, single-pane windows and poor roof insulation which is roughly 60% of the energy usage.

The reason they got it is actually not to save money or anything, but to have power when grid goes down after hurricanes.

parpfish•about 2 hours ago
Don’t underestimate how politicized renewables have become. You’d think essentially free energy would sell itself, but any time solar comes up in a rural community there’s a whole host of bad faith “but what about x?” comments
kilroy123•28 minutes ago
Maybe, but the data speaks for itself. Texas, a huge oil state, is loaded with wind and solar and is leading the country in battery storage right now.
himata4113•about 2 hours ago
I do have a funny story to share for this specific case:

A landowner wanted to run power to their land, they got quoted 100k and possibly 250k to run less than 2 miles of powerlines.

The land owner fired back with the question of installing solar panels instead as it would be cheaper and free.

The representitive replied with: "Look around you, there's no solar panels because they don't work."

Less than 100k later, the landowner had full off-grid power via solar and a backup generator.

I guess at the end of the day they saw all the sunshine around them and said: "You're right, all that sun is mine and mine alone."

enraged_camel•about 1 hour ago
>> You’d think essentially free energy would sell itself

I think it would if it was indeed “essentially free”. Rooftop solar is unfortunately a racket though, and companies price-gouge like crazy and also collude to keep prices inflated.

pjc50•37 minutes ago
American solar installer companies do seem to charge way more than European or British ones. I got 3.9kW installed almost ten years ago for just ÂŁ5500, including all the paperwork for feed-in-tariffs. It has long since paid for itself just in subsidy, let alone actual consumption.
CalRobert•about 1 hour ago
One of the things I like most about balcony solar is that you can DIY it (at least, in the places I know that have approved it) instead of getting scammed.
chung8123•about 1 hour ago
There are so many scams in the solar industry. I feel like a ton of installers joined just to make a quick buck with no effort.
unethical_ban•39 minutes ago
Sure it isn't up front, and there's probably something to be said about scammers seeing green with subsidy money.

But the very idea of not being dependent on the grid or fossil fuels, if one can afford it and costs are comparable, should sell itself.

But my dad watches Fox News so he brings up lies like how bad wind turbines are for the environment (coal anyone?) or how we shouldn't make ourselves dependent on China for solar (as if we aren't dependent on a lot of bad hombres for our current energy mix or as if receiving solar makes us dependent at all).

otterpro•about 2 hours ago
In Florida, the irony is that hurricane is the reason for not having too many solar panels. For example, Miami-Dade county requires commercial solar panel installation to have hurricane-approved solar mounts, which can withstand up to 160mph+ winds. This means installation is very costly. Even for homes, many insurance company will not insure homes with roof solar panel because of hurricane.
himata4113•about 2 hours ago
That's a requirement for everything, not just solar panels. The price premium for it is not that big since that's the only type of mounts you can get in florida. All modern housing is mostly category 5 rated due to the fact that hurricane damage grows exponentially as it picks up mass.
the_sleaze_•about 2 hours ago
In Alabama regulatory capture is such that installing solar panels attached to the grid incurs fees higher than just buying the electricity from Alabama Power.
chung8123•about 1 hour ago
Why not install and not attach to the grid? My understanding is if you have them attached to batteries and not feeding back it is considered off grid in some places.
jeffbee•29 minutes ago
I don't know anything about Alabama but in California you generally can't create off-grid developments without permission from a local authority, because it's a recognized problem that "off-grid" systems are often under specified, leading to danger for the occupants. And nobody really wants off-grid to proliferate because it would tend to concentrate the costs of the grid upon the remaining users who will be the ones least able to afford it.

For a place that was two miles from a power line, I would think anyone would approve of off-grid.

wing-_-nuts•about 2 hours ago
I'm interested to read a source on this if you have it
vondur•about 1 hour ago
I know California has reduced the incentives to purchase solar panels. You have to also have a battery backup system which increases the costs considerably. I'm guessing we may have too much solar in the day and not enough storage for the energy created.
Haemm0r•40 minutes ago
The battery increases the upfront cost but also increases the roi very much (at least where I am living). You get way less money for feeding energy to the grid than you have to pay for withdrawing energy(as you said some utilities even limit/forbid feeding during peak hours). In my case that means (Austria): Sell 1 kWh - 0,04€ Buy 1 kWh - 0,25€
alternatex•16 minutes ago
Don't you have to replace the batteries every few years though? That should be factored in the equation.
applied_heat•about 1 hour ago
A partly cloudy or partly sunny day produces some insane changes in output without a battery system to smooth them out

There is a limit to the size of the instantaneous increases and decreases in generation that the other generators on the grid can compensate for

CrzyLngPwd•28 minutes ago
We're off grid and have 7kw of panels, and 40kwh of 48v lithium batteries, with a generator for backup, which is rarely used since we are frugal with electricity and switch everything off when not in use.

I set it all up myself, and while it is not trivial, it's not difficult either.

Learning to put connectors on properly, size cables and put lugs on properly, learn about earthing and breakers...just one bit at a time.

I'm about to set up another system on the roof of an outbuilding to supply power for a water pump and irrigation where we grow food. This will be much easier and simpler since it will have only one 48V lithium battery, but I'll still use Victron stuff and connect it to a Cerbo so it can be monitored.

If I sold this place and bought somewhere on the grid, the first thing I'd do is cut the cord and set up my own system again.

johsole•7 minutes ago
do you have a blog or some links of walking through the process of getting everything setup?
noduerme•about 3 hours ago
What's the big deal with having a whole liquid cooled workstation, and why is it important information for me to know what this dude's hardware is? And seriously, is there something about the rig that is necessary to chew through a dataset with a few million rows?
everdrive•about 2 hours ago
Liquid-cooled computers have one major benefit; usually, your computer ages over time, and there's a long period where it's still barely fast enough but you wish you had something nicer. A liquid-cooled workstation prevents you from needing to manage this grey area by catastrophically failing at unexpected intervals.
carlosft•40 minutes ago
I had to re-read this three times. My sarcasm detector must be on the fritz.
KronisLV•41 minutes ago
I got an Aigo AIO (AC SE 240) off of AliExpress and use it as an automated reminder that my system needs an upgrade: once it stops working (with an upper bound of maybe 4-5 years), I'll know that it's time! Didn't even need to pay extra for that feature!
buildbot•about 1 hour ago
Also prevents you from messing with it too much, as any substantial change requires draining and refilling your loop.
wing-_-nuts•about 2 hours ago
Had me in the first half.

I looked at using an AIO for my PC build but ultimately went with an air cooler the size of a damned rubix cube and a high airflow case.

My room gets toasty with raytracing titles, lol

amluto•11 minutes ago
The 9950X is an excellent CPU at a reasonable price point and works perfectly fine with an ordinary air-cooled heat sink in an ordinary case without stupid numbers of fans. The TDP is just not that high.

source: my 9950X, happily running air cooled.

(Embarrassingly, I have an M4 Max that can almost match it in the CPU-bound workload I care about while sipping some 45W. The rest of the industry really needs to catch up with Apple on power efficiency.)

seanalltogether•about 2 hours ago
He just does this with all his blog posts, don't overthink it. The tech industry is full of people with unexpected quirks.
basilgohar•about 2 hours ago
We need more of this, not less. This is Hacker News. He gave us exactly what we need to know to exactly replicate his results.
MisterTea•about 1 hour ago
I think it feels a little bit of an Ad for the hardware, especially the way he describes the case, telling you the exact model and how spacious it is. Bit sus but perhaps he is being OVERLY detailed and just likes telling you he has a bunch of CPU's that are well cooled in a case with two big ugly fans on the front (not into that look at all.)

Though I can totally understand, geeky people love details. I have a habit of getting way too detailed in my writings here. So I then spend most of the time editing it down to be as clear and brief as possible. I refuse to use an LLM for my own thoughts.

hparadiz•about 2 hours ago
That's how I took it too. You always provide hardware information when publishing any data set that takes a long time to compile.
swiftcoder•about 2 hours ago
I really don't think we should be shaming computer enthusiasts for being enthusiastic about their computers on HN of all places
segmondy•about 1 hour ago
Obviously he's telling you their spec incase you wish to reproduce his results. Why don't you try it and tell us how your result compares.
biesnecker•about 3 hours ago
It had a very 90s/early-2000s tech blog feel to it. Only thing missing was his custom Gentoo build.
cyberge99•about 2 hours ago
I found it delightful. It added character and created a sense of relatability from the outset.
wigster•about 1 hour ago
you are visitor 18813!
TheGRS•30 minutes ago
My initial thought was that was a weird choice in this article, but I wouldn't fault someone for being thorough.

Probably a better choice as an appendix, move the good stuff up to the top. But overall its NBD.

Noumenon72•about 1 hour ago
It's funny how I started skimming as soon as I saw "My Workstation" without ever consciously perceiving why I had started hitting Page Down, until you mentioned it and I went back to notice what it said there. My brain has really automated web page signal extraction.
blitzar•about 2 hours ago
> 96 GB of DDR5 RAM

Most people drive cars worth less than this.

nine_k•about 1 hour ago
A single stick of DDR5 RAM on Amazon in about $450 now. Three sticks would be $1350. Do most people drive old clankers with less than $1500 resale value?

You still need a few terabytes to enter the real cars territory.

basilgohar•about 2 hours ago
He could have gotten it when it was still cheap.
johanvts•about 1 hour ago
It’s no less valuable because he got it cheap.
a3w•33 minutes ago
Most people don't own or drive cars.
segmondy•about 1 hour ago
96gb of ddr5 ram is about $800.
basilgohar•about 2 hours ago
Why is the top comment criticising a geek for being a geek? He gave us a wealth of information including his exact methodology and queries on how he produced his results. This is an ideal approach. You want just results and "trust me, bro"?
jmyeet•about 2 hours ago
I had the exact same thought, particularly when I read there were fewer than 4M records.

I really have to wonder if people truly know how powerful any modern computer is. Like I just assume any modern PC with sufficient storage can handle a database with a billion rows of data. I think my phone probably could.

Now if you were, say, analyzing commercial satellite imagery of the entire US and trying to find rooftop solar, matching it against the database and finding data that wasn't in the dataset, that's something where your computer power would be way more relevant.

Come to think of it, you could probably use such imagery to construct a power generation network from power plants to transmission lines to utility poles. Of course some places have underground cables but there are other datasets for that.

Another interesting project is mapping the growth of solar. This would require access to commercial satellite imagery over time. I'm sure some government agency already does it. Or used to at least. Snapshots years or even months apart are less interesting.

Anyway, I guess the point is the author's computer is capable of way more than I suspect they think it is.

0cf8612b2e1e•21 minutes ago
I always make sure to downgrade my computer hardware before running a trivial analysis. Every dataset needs to redline the current configuration.
supermatt•about 2 hours ago
> than I suspect they think it is.

Because he wants to tell you about his computer it means he doesn’t know how capable it is?

ragebol•about 3 hours ago
Would be kinda interesting to see a histogram of the azimuths and/or tilt angles.

In my native Netherlands I'd guess to see that peaking at ~south at say 15-30 degrees, with some lower peaks at east/west combos.

Curious to see what it would be in this dataset.

Zenbit_UX•36 minutes ago
Does anyone else experience very strange styling behavior while scrolling through this article?

The CSS styles seem to dynamically unload and reload while I’m reading it causing the margins to jump and the fonts change, I’ve never seen anything like this before. FWIW I’m on iOS using brave.

K0balt•41 minutes ago
An analysis of panels per capita vs regional IQ would be an interesting signal. Panels are cash positive in less tan 5 years of their 40 year lifespan. There is hardly a better investment up until you cover your own usage.
jeffbee•27 minutes ago
Imagine believing in "regional IQ".
jnpnj•about 1 hour ago
Apprently there are a lot of innovations hitting market, perovskites left the lab, and tandem cells are above 30%
showerst•about 3 hours ago
Pretty cool, although the heatmaps have a little of the "this is just a population density map" effect. https://xkcd.com/1138/

It would be cool to modify them to be per-capita, although I imagine adjusting arbitrary hexes for population density would be a real challenge.

zahlman•about 3 hours ago
It'd be nice if it described up front what kind of information is available per panel.

For that matter, I'd be interested in details of how "a team of researchers including alumni from NOAA, NASA and the USGS" (from the previous article) actually collected the data.

throwaway219450•about 3 hours ago
You can read the (open access) paper here:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-025-05862-4

In the abstract: “We use these newly compiled and delineated solar arrays and panel-rows to harmonize and independently estimate value-added attributes to existing datasets including installation year, azimuth, mount technology, panel-row area and dimensions, inter-row spacing, ground cover ratio, tilt, and installed capacity.“

testrun•about 3 hours ago
I would like to know more detail as well.
yogthos•about 3 hours ago
To put this in perspective, China installs around 3x that every single day https://reneweconomy.com.au/just-staggering-china-installs-1...
scblock•about 2 hours ago
The odd looking circular example shown is not solar PV. It is the Ivanpah solar thermal generating station, and those are mirrors rather than solar panels, or modules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpah_Solar_Power_Facility

Solar thermal can't really compete economically with photovoltaics.

vondur•about 1 hour ago
I think they are shutting it down. It had the nasty habit of frying birds that ventured too close to it. And that particular valley actually is far more cloudy then what you would expect for the desert near Las Vegas.
marklit•about 1 hour ago
Thanks for pointing that out. I'll update the post.
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ck2•about 3 hours ago
look how cheap now, it's crazy

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809986804138.html

I'm old enough to remember Carter putting them on WhiteHouse roof and they were thousands of dollars then (and less efficient)