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trehalose•43 minutes ago
> MIDA executive director Paul Morris told county commissioners that the facility “will not take one electron” from the existing grid

Cool. Will it drive up the price of the existing grid's existing electrons though? It'll increase demand for the natural gas that keeps those electrons moving.

hoofhearted•about 1 hour ago
This deal is very strange and smells funky.

Why would the state, the county, and the military even consider letting an inexperienced developer with zero past successful datacenter projects undertake such a vast project?

I’ve been around the datacenter world for many cycles, and this story seems like a tale old as time.

Again, why would someone with no experience take such an enormous risk?

It may seem easy to build these things; but it’s actually quite difficult to get it all up and running safely and in sync at full capacity.

Even experienced people in these fields mess up from time to time.

For example, the largest electrical contractor in the dc area that was multigenerational family owned went under building the NSA data center in Utah, and they knew what they were doing!

This was an expert electrical contractor with over 50 years of experience, and they got in way over their head with cost over runs and bad engineering.

Somehow phases got crossed and things blew up if I remember correctly, and it lead to power surges that took them under.

https://www.constructiondive.com/news/10th-largest-us-electr...

https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/breaking_ground/2014/...

How exactly is the shark tank guys property management company going to pull this off?

justonceokay•about 2 hours ago
I’m reminded (as I frequently am) of Vernor Vinge’s sci fi novels. In A Fire Upon the Deep, the main character comes to the realization that all civilizations collapse when the web of legal and supply chain dependencies collapses in on its own weight. As he is a sib-lightspeed traveler, he has to calculate the likelihood a civilization will still exist when he arrives.

AI data centers are a new, expensive, and (soon to be) highly integrated layer on top of our economy’s tirimasu of dependencies. Especially as new generations come and rely more fully on the machines than we are comfortable doing ourselves.

Right new if you destroy a data center you might destroy tax documents, calendars, sensitive user data, etc. 50 years from now destroying an AI center could mean no one can fly a plane or produce legal arguments anymore. So much of our productivity will be tied into these datacenters and our new skill sets will be entangled in their operation.

Not good, not bad, just different.

explodes•about 2 hours ago
garciasn•about 3 hours ago
> MIDA executive director Paul Morris told county commissioners that the facility “will not take one electron” from the existing grid and could eventually feed surplus power back into it.

And when they do and the residents' electricity costs go up because of it (which is baffling to me; the companies that use it should pay a premium for it that offsets the residential use), I guess there's just nothing that could be done. Not. One. Thing.

sQL_inject•about 2 hours ago
Setting a reminder on my phone to come check back on this in five years.
mistrial9•about 1 hour ago
in a California port city, there were newspaper headlines when a City Council swore to everyone that tearing down hundreds of good houses to put in a freeway to a far away transportation center "will benefit this great city" .. It is a historical laughing stock. Many neighborhoods are thick with foul diesel smoke for sixty years now, and the ordinary gardens and yards that were paved over, are long gone. The benefit was to the regional shippers, who grew truck traffic 4x then 40x.
panny•about 3 hours ago
>powered by natural gas

I love how AI made all the tech bros flip on 40 years of calling CO2 "pollution."

rafram•about 2 hours ago
Are you implying that people are wrong to call CO2 pollution?
Tostino•about 2 hours ago
Tech bro leadership never cared about the environment. You are thinking of two different groups of people.
shimman•about 2 hours ago
Tech workers aren't any better, they have no qualms with "just following orders" as long as they get their high salaries and stock grants.
collingreen•3 minutes ago
Every person in an industry is uniformly the same!