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nabbed•about 4 hours ago
I stopped going to McDonald's (which I previously visited about once per month) mainly because they got very expensive, and the price does not match the quality of the food (and they also are not that fast anymore). If I am going to spend that much, I could spend a little more a go to a much nicer mom-and-pop place.

A secondary reason is that they are American. Although I am American, I am currently a resident of another country that is targeted by American tariffs, so I am trying to buy local as much a possible.

nerdsniper•about 3 hours ago
I stopped going because the McDonald's closest to me stopped serving water. The only way for employees to fill a cup with water is to use the sink, and that's not an option offered to customers. There's no way to buy or be served a water, not even a bottle of it.
franktankbank•about 2 hours ago
That sounds illegal.
nerdsniper•40 minutes ago
In some jurisdictions it is, but in most it is legal. It’s one of those things that just didn’t require any regulation in the past.
paleotrope•8 minutes ago
I seem to recall that Mcdonalds goes to pains to source locally.
danudey•about 3 hours ago
There's a McDonald's near my home that I can order from if I'm craving garbage food quickly and don't feel well enough to leave the house, but they only get my order correct about 20% of the time. Another 20% of the time they make the wrong thing (e.g. the wrong kind of breakfast sandwich), and the remaining 60% of the time they forget to put half the order in (e.g. we ordered three of the Minecraft happy meal cube things a while back, plus an extra chicken sandwich, and we only got two of the cubes and no sandwich, plus we were missing two of the drinks for the meals).

The tariff issue is another reason not to patronize them, but at the same time if everyone in Canada stopped eating at McDonald's then McDonald's corporation would take a hit and thousands of Canadians would be immediately unemployed and thousands of Canadian suppliers of ingredients (beef, eggs, chicken, vegetables, etc) would lose a ton of business, so while I'd rather order from A&W for dozens of reasons I'm not outright boycotting American chains the way I am with American products.

bryanlarsen•about 3 hours ago
In Canada they have a CAD$5 McValue meal deal, so USD$3.67 for a McDouble, small fries & small drink. Do they not have similar deals in your jurisdiction?
jbm•about 3 hours ago
For what it is worth, I live in Calgary and the McDonalds near me does not have deals like that. There is apparently a huge range in prices across McDonalds in a city, so there may be geographic limitations.

I don't go either, and the price is part of the reason. (I would go for the ice cream in summer, or for their cheap drinks promos).

dylan604•about 3 hours ago
> There is apparently a huge range in prices across McDonalds in a city, so there may be geographic limitations.

Aren't the vast majority of McDonalds actually franchises vs corporate own where everything would be much more consistent?

dole•about 3 hours ago
US McValue meals (my local location, ymmv): $6 for a McDouble, small Fries, 4 nuggets and small drink. $5 for a McChicken, small fries, 4 nuggets and small drink. $2.50 for a McDouble itself.
HarHarVeryFunny•about 3 hours ago
A typical burger + fries + drink at McDonalds where I am in the US is now about $20. You can get something much better quality (& larger size) at FiveGuys for same price, and even some nice quality restaurants have lunch specials that cost the same.

McD was never good, but when it was $10 it was still an OK occasional convenient lunch option. At $20 there is zero reason to go there.

bayesnet•about 3 hours ago
That’s bonkers. I’m on the east coast (not nyc) and a quarter pounder medium meal is $10.49. Meanwhile Five Guys is $20.29 for a regular meal.
Vrondi•about 3 hours ago
In the USA midwest, it is around $12-13 USD for a sandwich and fries, no drink.
qwertyuiop_•about 2 hours ago
How do you communicate your guilt based purchases to the local citizenry ?
nabbed•about 1 hour ago
Am I supposed to?
ryandrake•about 3 hours ago
I kind of lost the point of the article when the author veered into the entirely separate topic of McDonalds being unhealthy. It's like two totally separate articles in one.

Article 1. McDonalds (along with other traditionally cheap-food places) is now very expensive and not for poor people.

Article 2. McDonalds serves (and people are out there eating) unhealthy food.

Article 1 is news if you haven't been in a McDonalds in the last 5 years. Article 2 is obvious and is not really a new phenomenon.

jerlam•about 1 hour ago
There's two definitions of "premium" and the author seems to have chosen the less commonly used definition.

1. Higher quality

2. Higher price

Products claim to be higher quality so that they can ask for a higher price. McDonalds doesn't seem to be doing this, they are just asking for a higher price. Most people would not call this premium, they would just call it expensive.

quentindanjou•about 3 hours ago
For me point 2 amplifies point 1. You could justify a higher price if the quality is better (and by quality, I mean both the health and type of ingredients used: not the type of product).

So not only they go more expensive but the quality stays low and actually got even lower).

why_at•about 3 hours ago
I read it more as a segue into the main point about conflicting narratives in the American public regarding food.

Despite our excuses that we have to eat unhealthy fast food because it's cheap, we still eat it it once it's expensive. We all talk about how there is an obesity crisis yet we constantly promote and glorify unhealthy food on social media.

>Or maybe no one is fully logically consistent in their views. In the end, people will continue to consume this food even knowing full-well it’s unhealthy and overpriced. And for that, McDonald’s should not be too concerned.

happytoexplain•about 2 hours ago
"We" do not all have the same opinions. You are lambasting an imaginary segment of the population.
why_at•about 2 hours ago
Yeah fair enough. I'm not sure I really agree with the piece either tbh. More likely these different narratives are coming from different groups of people.

I'm not even convinced of the main premise that McDonald's is now much more expensive relative to other things. I think it just feels that way because we had a few years of high inflation.

asdfasgasdgasdg•about 3 hours ago
Article 1 was true under 1990s prices. But you can get two double cheeseburgers for about four bucks and there aren't many who are so poor they can't afford that.
happytoexplain•about 3 hours ago
What? Is it true or not? You just said two opposite sentences.

Edit: Wait, are you trying to say their prices have decreased relative to inflation since the 90's??

zhdc1•about 3 hours ago
They’re just about dead even. Maybe slightly higher. Not unreasonably higher.

Inflation is a pain in the rear.

SoftTalker•about 3 hours ago
A few years ago my wife and I stopped at a McD drive thru and ordered two meals. The total was over $20. I was aghast and I questioned the cashier if there was some mistake. It's only gotten worse.

On a local subreddit recently someone was asking where to get a decent lunch that "doesn't break the bank" and turns out that their target spend was $10. My answer was "Pack a peanut butter sandwich and an apple at home and take it to work with you." Which is my usual lunch.

I am just astonished that people spend $10-15 or more, every day, on lunch. And often will pay more to have it delivered.

0xbadcafebee•about 2 hours ago
You ordered two complete meals (a drink, a side, and an entree), you probably got it in 30 seconds, and the total was less than the cost of comparable meals at virtually any restaurant. And you were aghast? ....You are aware inflation makes things cost more over time, right? 2% per year means things cost 10% more after just 5 years
greycol•about 1 hour ago
That is precisely the problem, you look at the inflation and compare it to what you payed 5,10,20 years ago and your either getting less or paying more than that inflation. Average price inflation of a big mac in the US for the past 25 years is 4% versus average CPI inflation of 2.29%. So instead of increasing in price by 65% it increased 166%.
copperx•about 3 hours ago
If you're on a GLP-1s and crave junk food (quite uncommon), almost all fast food places have a small combo that's around $5 that'll satisfy. At least Wendy's, Taco Bell, McDonald's, and others do.
damnesian•about 3 hours ago
I wouldn't feel bad in the least if all the $60 a pop lunchfluencers disappear for being grossly irresponsible role models, having to resort to pitiously ungrammable cheap-ass meals for themselves in the end.
dec0dedab0de•about 3 hours ago
Americans, particularly on social media, seem to have a love-hate relationship with food. These reviews are not uncommonly juxtaposed with fitness content and people in the comments warning of the obesity problem. So these same people praising and consuming this calorie-rich food are at the same time warning of obesity in America and trying to get in better shape. There is a sort of cognitive dissonance in both voicing concerns about obesity or food inflation, yet consuming the very food that is causing it, or watching a video that glorifies this food.

It feels like a reach presenting this without evidence that it is the same people. Especially without any nuance around health-conscious people still doing unhealthy things on occasion.

hootz•about 3 hours ago
Once you see the goomba, you can't unsee it...
Our_Benefactors•about 3 hours ago
…goomba? Wtf are you even talking about?
pocksuppet•about 3 hours ago
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Goomba_fallacy

It has nothing to do with goombas, except the first person to illustrate the fallacy chose to draw goombas.

cube00•about 3 hours ago
I stopped after I realised I was paying a premium price for stale cold chips and luke warm burgers.

It got so bad they ran a promo that if your chips weren't hot and fresh they'd give you a new batch for free.

Guess it cost them too much because they killed that promo pretty quickly.

dylan604•about 3 hours ago
How do you get cold fries? Is the bulb out in the heat lamps?

Also, it's been known for decades that you ask for fries with no salt so they have to make a new batch as they salt them immediately after cooking.

Vrondi•about 3 hours ago
Order fries with no salt, and they will fry a whole new basket to fill your order. You have to wait, but you get fresh hot fries every time.
pimlottc•about 2 hours ago
But then you have to eat fries without salt
foxyv•about 3 hours ago
This reminds me of Demolition man when he wakes up in the future and Taco Bell is fine dining.
jabsters•about 4 hours ago
Published July 31, 2024
lux-lux-lux•about 3 hours ago
It’s being dated is actually quite fatal to his thesis, as not only did McDonalds significantly underperform the market over the past few years but mid 2024 was also the exact time their attempt to pivot to higher income brackets stumbled and they were forced to introduce stuff like the $5 meal deal to stop hemorrhaging customers.
mpyne•about 3 hours ago
Yeah my overall spending at McDonald's declined significantly after the 2022 bout with inflation, and it's not just that prices went up (it was inflation, they mostly all went up), but that they leaned into trying to appeal to people who would already have been spending lots of money.

It would have been one thing just to make the food taste better, but they went the opposite and made it take forever to prepare and serve. But for me the whole point to McDonald's was to get in, eat something consistently decent, get out quickly. So they actually made things worse, because I already had plenty of other spots to get "nice" food if that's what I was in the mood for.

I'm not going to say bring back the heat lamps per se but there was a lot of value to people like me in having a restaurant that delivered on the original promise of "fast" food...

conception•about 3 hours ago
But in the last 4 weeks they’ve significantly cut back on the number of deals they offer in-app and increased the price of items in their point scheme. It used to be “you can get a good deal in the app” but no longer.
PaulHoule•about 3 hours ago
I was driving around the other day with my wife and I said "Hey, you should see how i can order from the McDonalds app and the food is ready when you show up" and in the end she was appalled with what a Fillet-o-Fish costs for how much food you get.