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tristanj•about 2 hours ago
By "control" Iran doesn't mean they will operate or maintain these cables. They mean "pay up, or we'll destroy these cables when we feel like it".

Modern day piracy.

peter-m80•about 1 hour ago
The real pirates are USA and Israel. They started this
tristanj•about 1 hour ago
No, the current situation is a result of poor foreign policy decisions made by Iran over the past few decades.

Iran and Israel had friendly relations and viewed each other as allies, until 1979. I'm not kidding. Iran and Israel cooperated on joint-military projects, such as the Project Flower missile project [0]. Israel used to manage Iran's oil production.

Iran's leadership changed post-1979, relations soured, and Iran began spending billions of dollars per year funding terror groups to destabilize Israel. Hezbollah in Lebanon receives $700 million per year from Iran. Hamas and other groups in Palestine receive $100 million per year. The Houthis in Yemen are supported similarly. Iraqi proxies receive an estimated $150 million per year. Iran has invested tens of billions into supporting regional proxies against Israel.

Naturally, these hostile foreign policy choices create enemies. And since the US is an ally of Israel, the US is also dragged into the conflict.

Iran could have easily completely avoided the situation it finds itself in.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Flower

grebc•about 1 hour ago
That website makes my eyes hurt.
spwa4•about 2 hours ago
Yes what they want to do is to tax other countries for using what is currently international waters and tax free, because they are militarily able to do so. That creates the problem that if Iran is allowed to do this, other countries will do this too (Indonesia will tax the Malacca strait).

If that happens, a lot of countries will give very serious thought to attacking each other, not just in the middle east, and may decide they don't have a choice.

tristanj•about 1 hour ago
nit: The strait of Hormuz is not considered international waters. It's split between Iranian and Omani territorial waters. The strait itself is classified as a "transit passage" under Articles 37–44 of UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which guarantees ships the right of continuous and expeditious transit.
dingaling•about 1 hour ago
Iran has not ratified UNCLOS, and Oman has ratified it but then negated the implied right of transit passage in domestic law - they only recognise innocent passage.

So the Strait has no clear legal status.

In theory since Iran didn't ratify UNCLOS they can only claim 3nm of territorial water, but they claim 12nm anyhow.

The USA insists on the right of transit passage, but itself isn't even a signatory to UNCLOS so that's hypocritical and has no basis.

It's a mess that nobody wants to touch, so it's pretty much up for grabs by the most militant player.

tristanj•about 1 hour ago
Very interesting, I wasn't aware of the full legal mess occurring at the strait.

I found this detailed article [0], written by a law student, which discusses the Hormuz strait situation in the context of the past century of maritime law.

[0] https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-strait-of-hormuz-an...

constantius•about 1 hour ago
> international waters

It's not international waters.

> if Iran is allowed to do this

They have sovereignty and they only ever mentioned doing this to pay for reparations after being attacked by two countries that have been allowed to routinely attack/exploit the Middle East and, in the case of one, carry out genocide.

As an aside, the war is largely seen as being waged for the sake of Israel, against US/world interests.

> Indonesia will tax the Malacca strait... a lot of countries... attacking each other

Pure fearmongering, in no way different from "think of the children and of the terrorists".

tristanj•39 minutes ago
Iran does not have full sovereignty over the strait of Hormuz. Ownership of the the strait is split between Iranian and Omani territorial waters. Iran has sovereignty over the waters on its side, but Iran does not have sovereignty over the Omani side.

Iran maintains a blockade on the strait by placing mines in Omani waters, and firing missiles at civilian ships that attempt to pass in Omani waters. It has no legal basis to do so.