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imagetic•about 1 hour ago
No.
m348e912•2 days ago
Teaching salaries start at $48,112 on average. If schools want advanced degrees the industry needs to pay more, and that's beyond whatever adjustment the provide for holding an advanced degree.
goosejuice•about 1 hour ago
All things considered, it's much better than it's made out to be.

Teaching is pretty stable, offers pensions, unionized, yearly adjusted for CPI, opportunities to increase pay schedule + extra pay with extra curriculars / duties, lots of time off, good hours.

Don't get me wrong. There are issues and it does depend on the district (US).

Now the aides..

sampli•about 2 hours ago
Well, the way you get instant raises in the public school system is by completing more advanced degrees
lmm•about 2 hours ago
They're already paid better than adjunct professors or grad students which is the normal career path for people with advanced degrees.
next_xibalba•22 minutes ago
Most public K-12 teachers teach 9 months out of the year. So annualizing that salary gets you to $64,149. Supposing a two income household of two teachers earning that amount ($128,299), the household would be earning a good bit above the median household income of $83,730.
blinkbat•2 days ago
this. there's almost no fiscal incentive to even BE a teacher, let alone a well-educated one.
EtienneDeLyon•about 2 hours ago
When you overpay teachers, people who hate teaching, and hate being teachers, will become teachers for the money.

Is a good idea to select the people who hate teaching to become teachers?

class3shock•about 1 hour ago
When you underpay teachers, people who hate teaching, and hate being teachers, will become teachers because all the people that had better options did something else.
platevoltage•23 minutes ago
And then you will have people who absolutely love teaching, and are willing to live in poverty to do so, speckled around that cess pool of mediocrity. It reminds me of high school actually.
mikeocool•about 2 hours ago
Yeah, why would we pay top dollar for top talent and then hold that talent to high standards? That certainly doesn’t work in any other profession.
OccamsMirror•about 2 hours ago
When you overpay CEOs, people who hate leading, and hate being CEOs, will become CEOs for the money.

Is a good idea to select the people who hate leading to become CEOs?

codegrappler•about 1 hour ago
We call this new movement “involuntary CEO”. Bob you’re now it.
AndrewKemendo•about 1 hour ago
You say that as though it’s an option

CEO is selected by the investors for whoever will side with the investors 100% of the time over every other group including employees

What you suggest would subvert this and so it won’t and can’t happen

jimmygrapes•about 1 hour ago
Yes
bloqs•about 1 hour ago
This is true of every single job.

Teachers are high in big five trait agreeableness which means they typically don't negotiate on their own behalf

platevoltage•25 minutes ago
You made an assertion that is based in fantasy, and then asked a question based on this silly assertion. Just wow.
choilive•about 1 hour ago
Absolutely dumb take. There are plenty of very bright and talented people that would have made excellent teachers but chose different career paths because - surprise surprise - the pay is better.
class3shock•about 1 hour ago
It's funny that this is a question when every college STEM class is taught by people who have degrees that have absolutely nothing to do with being able to teach effectively.
m463•about 1 hour ago
I think a lot of teaching jobs are like that.

If you were good at teaching STEM, I think you could probably work nearby in a STEM job for more money.

seangrogg•37 minutes ago
This does suppose there are good jobs in the area, which can be a bit hit or miss especially out in the sticks. Not to say one couldn't move, but moving isn't in the cards for everyone.
erelong•about 2 hours ago
Shouldn't need any degrees tbh, only the ability to do their job
gucci-on-fleek•about 1 hour ago
It depends on the grade though: no degree would probably be fine for a kindergarten teacher, but I'd be a little concerned if a high school math/science teacher had zero post-secondary experience, especially if this were at a school where most students are planning on attending university.
Theodores•about 1 hour ago
My mother was one of those teachers that had questionable qualifications. This was a problem from time to time as different government edicts and local authority changes made teachers effectively reapply for their jobs.

Eventually she did get a degree, albeit with my father writing up most of the assignments, however, I was underwhelmed by this. I felt that it was quite an indulgence for just a piece of paper.

Subject matter does matter. My mother was teaching art which might as well have been craft. What she brought to the class was experience, experience in crafts and experience existing as a money-making artist. She also knew a few people.

Few in academia could match her skill set and there were no complaints. It didn't matter that she was practically illiterate when it came to writing.

johngossman•about 2 hours ago
Fwiw, in 1900 my grandfather taught school in Washington State. He was 16 years old.

I don't know how good he was, just saying it wasn't so long ago.

yepyoukno•2 days ago
Those who produce the materials teachers teach should have advanced degrees. Teachers should have degrees demonstrating their competence in accessing and relating to such knowledge.
globalnode•about 2 hours ago
some studies even saying experience was irrelevant along with advanced degrees. so what do teachers need? big personalities?
cyanydeez•about 2 hours ago
they need money, in america.