Electrobun 2.0 will be decoupled from Bun due to the rust rewrite

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consumer451•about 2 hours ago

I have to say, this whole saga is extremely interesting. Not just from a popcorn-enjoyer's point of view, but as a bit of a bell weather for 2026 software dev.

christophilus•about 2 hours ago

Time will tell. I predict this is just the same 20 year pattern of: people on the internet are irate about $latest_thing, and everyone will move on to some other hot topic.

jakobnissen•about 1 hour ago

But surely, whether or not the Internet mob moves on has no bearing on what actual lessons to learn from this saga. Will the vibe rewrite turn out to be a disaster or are LLMs already capable of writing human level code at this scale? That question is interesting no matter the level of attention this gets.

stephbook•about 1 hour ago

I'm believe projects that pin old versions or maintain their own shoddy fork will be left behind. Deprecation is fine.

consumer451•about 1 hour ago

For some reason, when thinking about this, the visual of all the scientists at CERN camping out for the results of the Higgs Boson experiment jumped into my mind.

This is not as big an experiment as that. But, for software dev, it feels very significant.

ibejoeb•42 minutes ago

People are going to be using a lot less software if the selection criteria include not being no agents.

skeeter2020•11 minutes ago

This is a very uncharitable interpretation of the twitter post: "It’s a combination of anthropic’s stance of not doing human reviews or any kind of rational roll out and stabilization."

They mention nothing about agents being used, rather focus on humans in the review cycle and some sort of gated roll-out process. Why we would bin these practices in the name of a faster release cycle is an important question & debate.

ibejoeb•7 minutes ago

I kind of agree, but it goes both ways. Has Jarred said that there was no review? I know that he stated that rust bun passes tests. Now, I don't know the amount or quantity of coverage, but as a thought experiment, let's assume there's good. What does that count for?

conartist6•6 minutes ago

yes, because as we know from history without agents there is no internet or technology or anything

ibejoeb•2 minutes ago

What do you mean?

I'm saying that AI is going to develop software from here on. I don't think you can expect that a human is going to review every line of code. Not that it's good, but that's just how it is. It's not so different from manufacturing. A human is not reviewing every weld. I see a lot of sloppy beads, but in a lot of cases, it's good enough.

andai•about 2 hours ago

Electrobun repo: https://github.com/blackboardsh/electrobun

> Electrobun aims to be a complete solution-in-a-box for building, updating, and shipping ultra fast, tiny, and cross-platform desktop applications written in Typescript. Under the hood it uses bun to execute the main process and to bundle webview typescript, and has native bindings written in Objc, C++, and several core parts written in zig.

qsera•about 2 hours ago

I think it makes sense to stay away from large code bases built using LLMs until it is proven that it is possible to also maintain such code bases using LLMs or using reasonable human effort.

contextcost•about 1 hour ago

I have an idea on how to tell if a codebase is rotting under AI Agent maintenance. We can collect and analyze how the coding agent reads code during programming tasks, and see if the code access and token consumption are steadily increasing for similar development tasks. If the code readability doesn't degrade for the agent, the maintainability of the codebase should be fine.

skeeter2020•10 minutes ago

We judge long-term quality of human codebases (at least OS) by ongoing activity; for LLM codebases maybe a consistent or increasing level of activity is a bad smell?

sheeshkebab•about 1 hour ago

Mist of human written codebases are unusable for llm dev by that definition.

giancarlostoro•8 minutes ago

Turns out that if they're unusable by LLMs they're likely unusable by human devs. If you follow sane clean coding principles (like not having godclasses) it turns out coding agents (and humans!) can understand and navigate your codebase, especially if you use recognizable patterns, even with very light documentation.

Zakis1•about 2 hours ago

It's alarming how people instantly jump to conclusions that Bun is now "AI slop".

Bun has been almost entirely worked on by LLM's for ~6 months now, long before the Rust re-write (source: https://x.com/jarredsumner/status/2054525268296118363). It already has been proven that LLM's can maintain such codebases.

wiseowise•17 minutes ago

> Bun has been almost entirely worked on by LLM's for ~6 months now

So what you’re saying is that this boycot is 6 months overdue?

nicce•about 2 hours ago

> It already has been proven that LLM's can maintain such codebases.

Is it? Seems like bugs in Claude Code are getting out of hands. That project has a bit more lifetime.

ramon156•about 2 hours ago

Worked on by LLMs is fine, but the rust pr proved no one is reviewing anymore. You cannot review 1M LOC in 5 days.

kikimora•about 1 hour ago

Bun never was great in terms of stability. It has been vibe coded for 6 month but code was reviewed by a person.

>It already has been proven that LLM's can maintain such codebases.

Proven is a strong word. In my experience AI fails miserably at anything beyond junior level tasks. We will see soon, once bun goes into production.

esperent•about 1 hour ago

> Bun never was great in terms of stability

It's very easy to throw shade like this on software if you've got a bugbear with it. I'm sure you can even come up with a bunch of these "stability" problems when challenged on it. I know I could, for basically any large piece of software that I've ever used.

But really, is bun worse in this regard than any other similarly ambitious open source software within it's first few years?

lioeters•26 minutes ago

It's alarming how people are willing to overlook the obvious in-your-face sloppiness of the Bun rewrite. A million lines of code in 9 days, pushed to main branch, forced on the existing userbase irresponsibly.

Nobody understands the code, nor will they be able to maintain it without AI service as an external dependency. Give me a break, I'm not running that monstrosity on my machine. Everyone running production software should move away from Bun purely as a technical decision.

j_bum•22 minutes ago

Do you use Claude code on your machine? That seems mostly vibe coded

mentalgear•about 2 hours ago

While I'm certainly sceptical of pure LLM (re)-written software, I would have to assume in the case of the cyberattack vector that Anthropic used their new Mythos model to adequately test against.

Maybe someone has more info of them mentioning that.

skeeter2020•6 minutes ago

so they are defending the LLM-generated code using another one of their LLMs, against attacks from yet other LLMs? So regardless of the outcome and impact on us, they win?

InsideOutSanta•29 minutes ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the kinds of security issues LLMs tend to create are the exact types of security issues LLMs are bad ar detecting.

impulser_•about 2 hours ago

Jarred said this had nothing to do with Mythos or Anthropic.

conartist6•8 minutes ago

I have a very, very hard time believing that. Surely the acquisition left his wealth largely in the form of Anthropic stock, so his personal definition of success is "rep Anthropic so my stock goes up" and at that point he has succeeded.

Me, I still have to be competent to succeed. I don't just get to declare that because I used AI the effort was a success, and I have 0 desire to work with those kinds of people.

shimman•30 minutes ago

The concept of a "useful fool" is apt here.

bobajeff•about 1 hour ago

This is my first time hearing about Electrobun it sounds like it could be a good alternative to electron. Their site mention CEF bundling as an option has anyone tried this?

avinassh•43 minutes ago

TIL electrobun. How does it compare against electron?

chuckadams•about 1 hour ago

I'm not joining the chorus condemning Bun for the vibe-rewrite, and I think it's fascinating whether it turns out to be a complete trainwreck or not. But FFS, it should have been a separate repo.

tln•36 minutes ago

What? Why? Git has branches...

punchmesan•22 minutes ago

They're two completely different codebases... even if they are 100% feature parity, it's 100% different code. They should absolutely be separate from each other, with different issues lists. Clean separation of two different codebases isn't a strange concept...

wiseowise•8 minutes ago

Judging by the comments, Bun as a company doesn’t give a single shit about community. The only reason it is in the same repo is tracking down issues, discussions, etc. Those would be hard to migrate.

chuckadams•31 minutes ago

Right, but it's my understanding that it was done as a PR that was merged to `main`. Sure, anyone could find the last Zig commit and branch off of that, so I guess it's all po-tay-to po-tah-to.

throwatdem12311•about 2 hours ago

It’s really only a matter of time until someone forks the Zig version of Bun.

What a slap in the face to all the Zig developers that spent their time, effort and probably even some money contributing to it.

jdw64•about 2 hours ago

Realistically speaking, when Anthropic acquired Bun, they naturally would have needed a narrative showcasing that their AI excels even at relatively new languages like Zig. But since the Zig camp explicitly declared an anti-AI stance, it makes perfect sense why things played out this way. It's a understandable business realit

asdfsa32•about 1 hour ago

Add todo item: learn zig.

u_fucking_dork•about 2 hours ago

Chill dog, it’s a programming language not a religion

pessimizer•15 minutes ago

To upper-middle class people, their job is a religion. Investing in a programming language is a decision to gamble thousands of hours of your life for a programmer. At some point of projects shifting away from your language, your mortgage and your children's tuition will be affected.

ramon156•about 1 hour ago

What a weird take. Might as well give up on anything you care about, as its only an "x"

u_fucking_dork•36 minutes ago

You shouldn’t feel slapped in the face if someone chooses a programming language you don’t like. Full stop.

feverzsj•about 1 hour ago

I doubt any sane human will continue using Bun.

chuckadams•about 1 hour ago

In this industry, that leaves most of us.

3as-123•about 2 hours ago

Great, the author speaks out what everyone thinks but cannot say, either due to being invested in the hype or due to effectively having a gag order from their employers:

https://xcancel.com/YoavCodes/status/2058170216408813583#m

The bun rewrite was Anthropic's Vietnam and the open source community needs to react and and build resistance.

asdfsa32•about 1 hour ago

In many a brand name company now tokenmaxxing is the name of the game; CryptoBase, FacePaper, AntiqueOptics, tinyflacid, they all use AI usage metrics as part of their perf review these days.